@UTF8 @Begin @Languages: eng @Participants: ALAN ALAN Speaker, JON JON Speaker @Options: CA, caps, bullets @ID: eng|SBCSAE|ALAN|||||Speaker||| @ID: eng|SBCSAE|JON|||||Speaker||| @Media: 60, audio @Comment: Shaggy Dog Story @Comment: Face-to-face casual conversation recorded in an office in Shreveport, Louisiana. The two speakers, Jon (age 72) and Alan (age 66) are friends/co-workers taking a break from work. Alan is primarily telling Jon about his travel adventures and interests *ALAN: (..) &=in I got a story to tell you 0_2572 it's a shaggy dog story 2572_3820 but as long as we're talking about that recorder and six-hundred dollars 3820_6645 &=in &=lengthened I'll tell you the story 6645_8378 &=in &=lengthened oh gosh 8378_10178 uh &=ex 10178_10678 Rae and I and Sue and Buddy 10678_12335 (..) took a trip 12335_14727 (..) to Mexico City . 14727_17012 *JON: (..) &=SNIFF . 17012_18761 *ALAN: It must've been 18761_19882 (..) four to six months after my dad died . 19882_25787 *ALAN: That's how I remember it 25787_26704 he ⌈ died in s⌉ixty-s:- +... 26704_28014 *JON: ⌊ Oh God ⌋ . 26796_27351 *ALAN: (..) December sixty-seven 28014_29939 so 29939_30260 &=in &=lengthened sometime in sixty-eight we took this trip 30260_33107 we'd been (..) talking about it for a while 33107_35134 (..) uh: 35134_36834 flew down to Mexico City 36834_38402 (..) uh we 38402_39582 &=ex c- think of the name of my hotel 39582_41135 which wouldn't mean anything now 41135_42283 but we ended up in a (..) fabulous hotel 42283_45525 (..) uh: 45525_47180 (..) first night 47180_48180 we were &{l=VOX very unhappy &}l=VOX with our rooms 48180_49979 we got down there 49979_50979 &=in &=lengthened and the next morning 50979_52859 Buddy 52859_53218 who's a (..) early riser anyhow 53218_55247 was probably up (..) four o'clock 55247_57225 and he went down there complaining to the manager 57225_59208 (..) So 59208_60627 (.) cause it was not w- the accommodation we were supposed to have had 60627_63201 we checked in about eight o'clock at night or so 63201_65379 which is 65379_65780 &=in &=lengthened in Mexico is like 65780_67302 (.) you know 67302_67779 (..) &{l=X the &}l=X +/. 67779_68373 *ALAN: &=in (..) Well we ended up with a (.) corner (.) suite . 68373_71930 *ALAN: (..) With 71930_74340 (..) It was so big . 74340_76272 *JON: (..) &=laugh &=laugh . 76272_76920 *ALAN: we could've had a party for fifty people XXXXX . 76920_79340 *ALAN: Three bathrooms in it 79340_80880 (..) &=in ʔuh two bedrooms 80880_83253 so they had 83253_83653 but they had an extra guest bathroom XX 83653_85739 (.) big ba:r 85739_86696 (..) it was circ- 86696_88854 open on two sides 88854_90180 of course we didn't have anybody there but the two of us 90180_91901 &=in (..) And I remember the New York Yankees were (..) training there . 91901_96713 *ALAN: So it probably was 96713_97886 the season opens in (.) April 97886_99518 so it probably was February or March 99518_101898 (..) &=in Mickey Mantle 101898_104178 and uh Whitey Ford and all of em 104178_105978 (..) I wish I'd (..) been smart enough (.) to know then that uh 105978_109330 &=in these baseball cards 109330_110899 and those (.) autographs 110899_111874 would be selling for 111874_112622 (..) ⌈ three or four ⌉ hundred dollars . 112622_114222 *JON: ⌊ &=in ⌋ . 113074_113647 *ALAN: but 114222_114423 (.) at any rate 114423_115299 uh 115299_115734 (..) I went down there with a recorder . 115734_120900 *ALAN: (..) We used to +/. 120900_122405 *ALAN: (..) We had those (..) things at the store 122405_125058 (..) that we used to u:se 125058_126862 (..) when we'd ⌈ go out of ⌉ town and . 126862_128604 *JON: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ . 127487_128031 *ALAN: particularly if we were looking at some site 128604_130856 &=in (..) o:r 130856_132043 we were looking at a ⌈ store ⌉ . 132043_133123 *JON: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ . 132770_133123 *ALAN: when we had some comments 133123_134044 we'd talk into those things . 134044_135223 *ALAN: &=in (..) We had (..) four or five of em 135223_138590 Aaron had one 138590_139199 I had one 139199_139959 (.) Mike had one 139959_140715 XX had one 140715_141725 &{l=X from that financial guy &}l=X 141725_143077 (..) Things (.) sold at the time for about eight or nine-hundred dollars . 143077_147060 *JON: (..) Eight ⌈ or ni⌉ne-hundr⌈2ed ⌉2 ? 147060_148627 *ALAN: ⌊ Eight- ⌋ +/. 147900_148183 *ALAN: ⌊2 Eigh⌋2t or nine-hundred dollar⌈3s ⌉3 . 148513_149810 *JON: ⌊3 &=SNIFF ⌋3 . 149475_149810 *ALAN: (..) Uh 149810_150963 (..) you got a very sophisticated one 150963_153650 but you know the little ones now about this size . 153650_155427 *ALAN: Well this son of a bitch weighed about &{l=MRC fifteen pounds &}l=MRC . 155427_157802 *ALAN: It was &{l=MRC some (.) heavy son of a bitch &}l=MRC . 157802_159734 *JON: (.) &=THROAT . 159734_160259 *ALAN: (.) Had a pouch 160259_161270 like 161270_161595 sorta like you've got . 161595_162595 *ALAN: I carried it around . 162595_163498 *ALAN: Well any rate 163498_164075 (..) &=in my wife had fallen in lo:ve 164075_167180 (..) with a 167180_168498 (..) Mexican artist by the name of (..) Nierman . 168498_172975 *ALAN: (..) Forgot his first name . 172975_175699 *ALAN: Jewish guy . 175699_176418 *JON: (..) ⌈ Mm: ⌉ . 176418_177252 *ALAN: ⌊ Mexi⌋can national . 176901_177950 *ALAN: (..) His paintings sold 177950_180681 (..) f- fo:r (..) generally 180681_183287 (..) a thousand dollars plus . 183287_185872 *ALAN: (..) Which was 185872_187000 (.) for me . 187000_187676 *JON: (..) A lotta ⌈ money in those days ⌉ . 187676_189120 *ALAN: ⌊ Twenty-five yea⌋rs ago 188317_189722 (..) I was +/. 189722_190657 *ALAN: no way I was gonna spend twe- a thou- +/. 190657_192480 *ALAN: First of all I didn't like him . 192480_193343 *ALAN: (.) Very splashy . 193343_194365 *ALAN: (..) Albert and Marcia had one of his paintings 194365_196923 &=tsk &=in &=lengthened (..) they had +/. 196923_198140 *ALAN: (..) They had +/. 198140_199145 *ALAN: (..) I I don't know 199145_202425 Marcia had a relative in Mexico 202425_204379 or something . 204379_205027 *ALAN: But they'd been down there . 205027_206327 *ALAN: (..) Many times and 206327_207484 (..) and they had his book 207484_208837 (..) a:nd 208837_210540 (..) we got down there 210540_212203 and he wa:s 212203_213379 (.) uh: 213379_214166 (..) all over the place . 214166_216046 *ALAN: His paintings were 216046_216819 he lived in Mexico City . 216819_218194 *ALAN: (..) &=in (..) A:nd uh: . 218194_220301 *JON: (..) &=SNIFF . 220301_222580 *ALAN: we had a (..) cab driver . 222580_225879 *ALAN: (..) Uh: 225879_227439 that was gonna take us to 227439_228941 (..) &=in wherever the place where the go:ld was . 228941_232682 *ALAN: I can't remember 232682_233240 one of the roughest rides 233240_234323 and if you ever been to Mexico City 234323_235561 you ⌈ made that ⌉ ride . 235561_236407 *JON: ⌊ &{l=X Yeah &}l=X ⌋ . 235561_235970 *ALAN: &=in &=lengthened some kinda city 236407_237859 about (.) hundred miles away 237859_239482 I th:ought we were gonna die: going down there . 239482_241559 *ALAN: An old car and 241559_242482 (.) anyway . 242482_243039 *ALAN: &=in &=lengthened (.) Well before that 243039_244475 he took us (.) around the city 244475_246000 (..) still got his car:d somewhere . 246000_247836 *ALAN: (.) &=in Slammed the damn door on this guy 247836_250014 poor guy's hand one day 250014_251214 inadvertently 251214_251739 we were getting out 251739_252162 we had him about three days 252162_253439 &=in &=lengthened one day we took him down to (..) wherever we went 253439_256819 (..) Buddy and Sue didn't go 256819_258566 (..) but he (.) took us to the ruins 258566_260283 and all that stuff . 260283_261135 *ALAN: You know 261135_261560 &=in &=lengthened (.) uh 261560_263018 (..) you know 263018_264244 I and I I knew (.) then 264244_265639 and I know now 265639_266341 that those guys 266341_267166 (..) take you to a particular place 267166_268518 they get a commission . 268518_269366 *ALAN: (..) Well 269366_271341 (..) they took us to this guy's studio . 271341_274355 *JON: (..) He what ? 274355_275175 *ALAN: Took us to this guy- (.) artist's studio . 275175_277005 *ALAN: (..) Uh 277005_279112 (..) a:nd uh: 279112_280959 (..) Rae 280959_283721 (..) he was there . 283721_286044 *ALAN: (..) And she saw a painting she liked . 286044_289446 *ALAN: (..) A:nd 289446_290864 (..) uh 290864_292168 he wanted that damn (..) recorder . 292168_294304 *ALAN: (..) And he said I tell you what I'll do . 294304_296774 *ALAN: (.) XX (.) make you a deal . 296774_298143 *ALAN: He said I'll +/. 298143_298720 *ALAN: (..) You take this painting 298720_300096 (..) I want that recorder . 300096_301327 *ALAN: I'll take it . 301327_301854 *ALAN: (..) Could- +/. 301854_302686 *ALAN: naw I can't do that 302686_303427 it's not mine . 303427_304154 *ALAN: (..) It was +/. 304154_304811 *ALAN: (..) It's about a thousand dollar swap . 304811_306816 *ALAN: (..) Shit I thought my wife was gonna have a ⌈ fit . 306816_310378 *JON: ⌊ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌋ . 310126_310978 *ALAN: she was pissed ⌉ off 310378_311378 &=in Mexico City was a 311378_313680 uh in those days 313680_314679 (.) probably still is 314679_316054 (..) not +/. 316054_316771 *ALAN: (..) For this guy he was very successful . 316771_319387 *ALAN: &=in (..) Uh: 319387_320860 (..) very prolific . 320860_322562 *ALAN: &=in But it was an art colony 322562_324222 and there were a lot of Americans down there . 324222_325599 *ALAN: He was not an American . 325599_326647 *ALAN: (..) A lot of Americans down there 326647_328716 (..) uh because 328716_330274 (..) cost of living was so cheap at the time . 330274_332384 *ALAN: And they- they had these (..) art shows everywhere . 332384_334862 *ALAN: (..) &=in Well we bought a painting 334862_337270 (..) uh: 337270_338943 (.) of a little Mexican woman 338943_340470 (..) still got it 340470_341860 with a watermelon on her head 341860_343179 like it a lot . 343179_343879 *ALAN: (.) Think I paid (..) &{l=VOX thirty dollars for it &}l=VOX . 343879_346160 *ALAN: Well that was about my price range . 346160_347610 *ALAN: (..) Uh 347610_348862 (..) while I was down there 348862_351223 we (..) may have bought a couple of other ʔi- inexpensive paintings 351223_354141 maybe (.) collectively we bought 354141_355433 (..) maybe spent a hundred and fifty dollars . 355433_357323 *ALAN: &=in &=lengthened Uh: 357323_358351 hell I was not an art +/. 358351_359377 *ALAN: We weren't art collectors . 359377_360680 *ALAN: (..) A:nd uh 360680_361785 to spend a thousand dollars 361785_363060 to me for a painting 363060_363935 was unthinkable . 363935_364885 *ALAN: (..) &=in (..) Uh 364885_366480 (..) The s- first painting I ever bought 366480_368617 my father-in-law bought it from Geri f- 368617_370364 (..) Geri Rae 370364_371694 (..) it was one of Geri's original early (.) early paintings 371694_374786 which I thoroughly enjoy 374786_375794 she's changed styles but 375794_377113 &=in &=lengthened Whi:le we were down there 377113_379205 (..) uh . 379205_380377 *JON: (..) You know ⌈ I ⌉ . 380377_383055 *ALAN: ⌊ This ⌋ +/. 382740_383055 *ALAN: ⌈2 It ⌉2 +... 383055_383384 *JON: ⌊2 I've s⌋2:een that somewhere before . 383055_384737 *ALAN: (..) You know I've had that painting for (..) thirty-five years I guess . 384737_392021 *ALAN: I- I've never framed it . 392021_393125 *ALAN: &=in (.) And I really like it . 393125_394556 *ALAN: (..) Uh: 394556_395544 my +/. 395544_395898 *ALAN: (..) My (.) my father-in-law wanted to give me a painting for my +/. 395898_398636 *ALAN: Piece of art for my office . 398636_399851 *ALAN: And so I had a +/. 399851_400515 *ALAN: (..) &=in We had a (..) display guy at the time 400515_403993 by the name of Be:n M:oney 403993_405393 (..) fashioned himself as an artist . 405393_408133 *ALAN: (..) And I said Ben 408133_409963 (..) pick me out something . 409963_411319 *ALAN: &{l=X You've got &}l=X fifty bucks to spend . 411319_413102 *ALAN: (..) So 413102_414226 (.) he got this from Geri 414226_415638 (..) and I loved it . 415638_417065 *ALAN: (..) ⌈ XX ⌉ . 417065_418470 *JON: ⌊ It's beautiful ⌋ . 417836_418470 *ALAN: And and 418470_419019 (.) I can see all ⌈ kinda things in it ⌉ . 419019_421384 *JON: ⌊ It's got a lotta color and ⌋ . 420164_421384 *ALAN: Lotta color . 421384_422043 *ALAN: I see a Chinese junk 422043_423439 At any rate 423439_423804 (.) to make a long s- +/. 423804_424576 *ALAN: &=in (..) This fellow LeRoy Neiman 424576_428100 (..) &{l=PAR over here &}l=PAR . 428100_429362 *ALAN: (.) &=in Sports artist . 429362_430960 *ALAN: (..) Not the same guy 430960_432613 (..) as this guy (.) Nierman . 432613_434574 *ALAN: I've forgotten his name . 434574_435684 *JON: (.) Oh I thought there was a connection . 435684_437238 *ALAN: (..) No . 437238_437765 *ALAN: No connection . 437765_438565 *ALAN: K- there is a connection on the story 438565_440240 &=in (..) Well 440240_442274 (..) we looked at a lot of art 442274_444240 in in in the 444240_445308 (.) in the 445308_446060 uh parks 446060_447056 and there at least it was 447056_448080 (..) pleasant weather and 448080_449381 &=in (..) Like (.) that (.) uh 449381_451336 (..) It was sorta like 451336_453559 (..) uh 453559_454413 (..) What the hell they call the district in New York 454413_458678 where on Sunday 458678_459378 they put all the artists 459378_460378 (.) put their paintings out 460378_461579 uh 461579_462015 the Village 462015_462519 the Village . 462519_463015 *JON: The Village . 463015_463620 *ALAN: (..) You know all the all these artists put their +/. 463620_465377 *ALAN: Well they had 465377_465825 (..) must've had three areas like that . 465825_468391 *ALAN: &{l=MRC Parks with paintings &}l=MRC 468391_469765 and my god 469765_470517 there must've been &{l=VOX thou:sands &}l=VOX of paintings . 470517_472417 *ALAN: (..) &=in And uh 472417_473937 (.) most of em 473937_474899 (..) very inexpensive . 474899_477027 *ALAN: Uh starving artists that were down there 477027_478927 &{l=VOX lots of &}l=VOX American . 478927_480127 *JON: (.) &=SNIFF . 480127_480741 *ALAN: (..) Well 480741_481644 (..) uh: 481644_483299 (..) we wandered around down in the 483299_486400 the area which 486400_487110 I've forgotten the area that they called 487110_488959 (..) in Mexico City where 488959_490860 (..) uh 490860_492013 (..) most of the jewelry shops are and things . 492013_494361 *ALAN: (..) It's got a name . 494361_495605 *ALAN: I can't remember 495605_496287 I've never been back . 496287_497314 *ALAN: &=in (..) They also had a lot of 497314_499862 (..) uh 499862_500660 (..) artist (.) galleries down there . 500660_504400 *ALAN: (..) And I walked into this gallery 504400_506657 (.) during one of our +/. 506657_507685 *ALAN: (..) We were down there maybe ten days . 507685_510039 *ALAN: (..) And I saw this guy Nierman . 510039_512772 *ALAN: I never heard of him 512772_513637 (..) at that time . 513637_515881 *ALAN: He he (.) he got famous at the nineteen 515881_518481 (..) uh: 518481_520666 (..) probably seventy-two Olympics . 520666_523253 *ALAN: &=in (.) Uh: 523253_524840 (..) but his c- +/. 524840_525577 *ALAN: His art was already in collections of guys like Edward gee Robinson 525577_529059 it was very popular in Hollywood . 529059_530852 *ALAN: (..) He also was very prolific . 530852_533016 *ALAN: (.) Big (..) handlebar mustache . 533016_535520 *ALAN: &=in (..) And I walked in 535520_537658 (..) and there must have been about 537658_539907 (..) twelve or fifteen paintings in there . 539907_543696 *ALAN: (..) &=in &=lengthened They were 543696_545740 (..) uh: . 545740_546684 *JON: (..) You walked into his studio 546684_550485 or . 550485_550705 *ALAN: (..) It was a gallery . 550705_552460 *ALAN: (..) Uh 552460_553022 he didn't live there . 553022_553964 *ALAN: ⌈ he didn't l⌉ive in Mexico . 553964_555057 *JON: ⌊ Okay ⌋ . 553964_554393 *ALAN: The oth- th- +/. 555057_555361 *ALAN: The guy n- +/. 555361_555806 *ALAN: Th- the Jewish fellow 555806_556837 they're both ⌈ Jewish ⌉ . 556837_557702 *JON: ⌊ Okay ⌋ . 557297_557702 *ALAN: Th- th- this guy Nierman 557702_559232 (.) who was a Mexican national 559232_560776 lived there . 560776_561440 *JON: Okay . 561440_561894 *ALAN: (..) Forgotten his first name . 561894_563321 *ALAN: Leonardo Nierman or something . 563321_565103 *ALAN: &=in But any rate 565103_566120 but uh 566120_566673 ʔuh this guy's name was LeRoy (.) Neiman 566673_568718 I'd never heard of him 568718_569333 well I'd (.) heard of Nierman . 569333_570377 *ALAN: &=in Uh: 570377_571736 because Rae went down there wanting to buy one of those paintings . 571736_574032 *ALAN: &=in These were paintings 574032_575159 which I'd say were about the size of this Joe Namath . 575159_577640 *ALAN: (..) there . 577640_578213 *ALAN: (.) Which is a seriograph . 578213_579663 *ALAN: (..) And 579663_581074 (.) ʔuh we went in 581074_582106 and uh 582106_582622 (..) they were just back from Acapulco 582622_586639 (..) season was just over in Acapulco . 586639_589340 *ALAN: (..) And he had about (..) fifteen (..) twenty paintings 589340_593363 twenty-five paintings 593363_594512 (..) football players 594512_595847 horse races 595847_596930 (..) that's what he did 596930_598211 they were (.) about that size . 598211_600013 *ALAN: (..) I'd been in there 600013_601319 (..) oh God I looked at em 601319_602985 they just struck me as something 602985_604180 I loved em . 604180_605001 *ALAN: They were great . 605001_605732 *ALAN: They were you know very +/. 605732_606613 *ALAN: &=in Had a very distinctive style . 606613_608517 *ALAN: (..) And 608517_609760 (.) uh 609760_610378 (.) the guy said uh 610378_611960 (..) God you've been in here 611960_614407 (..) so many times that 614407_615821 said I'll make you a deal . 615821_616711 *ALAN: (..) You pick out any four of these you want 616711_620060 I'll give em to you for five-hundred dollars . 620060_621835 *ALAN: (..) The four of em . 621835_623132 *ALAN: (..) Shit 623132_624398 I loved those things . 624398_625471 *ALAN: I stewed on those son of bitches 625471_626980 stewed on those son of bitches 626980_628361 I figured 628361_629059 &=in I bought those fucking paintings 629059_630951 I'd have to buy that damn thing for Rae . 630951_633080 *JON: (.) &=laugh &=laugh ⌈ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌉ . 633080_634948 *ALAN: ⌊ or 633695_634114 I'd trade that cam⌋era for a thousand dollars 634113_636172 and nine-hundred dollars to buy another one 636172_637846 (..) &=in I promise you as God is my witness . 637846_642052 *ALAN: (..) This guy's originals sell for &{l=MRC a hundred thousand dollars apiece or more &}l=MRC . 642052_649143 *JON: (..) You are kidding . 649143_650344 *ALAN: They were . 650344_651017 *ALAN: (..) He is 651017_652071 (..) big 652071_653075 (..) big 653075_653899 He's the &{l=MRC premiere sports artist in the world &}l=MRC . 653899_657456 *JON: Really . 657456_658073 *ALAN: (..) And (..) uh 658073_659979 (..) I'd never heard of him . 659979_661355 *ALAN: (..) And 661355_662157 but of course the price was right for me 662157_663953 but I didn't buy em . 663953_664903 *ALAN: &=in (..) That was about- +/. 664903_665980 *ALAN: That was about nineteen +/. 665980_666935 *ALAN: Spring of sixty-eight . 666935_668117 *ALAN: (.) And I was watching the Olympics 668117_670195 (..) &=in of (..) nineteen-seventy-two . 670195_674037 *ALAN: (..) And he'd been engaged by the Olympic committee . 674037_677200 *ALAN: (..) &=in Uh he was (.) prominent then 677200_680093 but not (..) world famous . 680093_682966 *JON: (..) ⌈ &=SNIFF &=lengthened ⌉ . 682966_684514 *ALAN: ⌊ A:nd ⌋ uh: 683811_685160 (..) I: +/. 685160_686313 *ALAN: (..) He was up (..) all over . 686313_690620 *ALAN: (..) He's got a grea:t big bull of +/. 690620_693367 *ALAN: (..) Bull Moose mousta:che sort of a deal 693367_695924 General Bull Moose if you remember . 695924_697522 *JON: Yep . 697522_697803 *ALAN: &=in And (.) uh 697803_699313 (..) his art was so distinctive . 699313_701660 *ALAN: And he's +/. 701660_702077 *ALAN: The sketching . 702077_702980 *ALAN: (..) I said Jesus . 702980_704040 *ALAN: That's my ma:n . 704040_705184 *ALAN: (..) I remember seeing at the Olympics . 705184_706852 *ALAN: (.) I hollered and screamed 706852_708153 and I told the story 708153_709222 &=in Well of course 709222_710278 (..) since that time 710278_711812 (..) I'm on his mailing list 711812_713993 (..) XX (..) XX (.) X X 713993_716140 one main gallery in New York 716140_718023 (..) that uh 718023_719189 think distributes for him around the United States 719189_721495 and I'm on the mailing list 721495_722698 (..) and they get today 722698_724964 (..) twenty-five hundred to twenty-seven-fifty for (.) a seriograph . 724964_730097 *ALAN: (..) &=in Of which he produces maybe (..) three to five-hundred of em . 730097_735735 *ALAN: (.) Depending on the issue . 735735_736931 *ALAN: &=in But these were originals . 736931_738538 *ALAN: &=in (..) I- +/. 738538_739803 *ALAN: Jon I promise you as God as my witness . 739803_741565 *ALAN: &=in (.) I +/. 741565_742353 *ALAN: (..) He was +/. 742353_743073 *ALAN: I could've walked away with those things and +/. 743073_745132 *ALAN: &=in (.) And (.) uh: 745132_746844 (..) I I I p- +/. 746844_748715 *ALAN: (..) ʔuh ʔuh +/. 748715_749594 *ALAN: But that's my story on that machine . 749594_751215 *ALAN: &=in (..) That damn thing 751215_752740 and of course 752740_753411 (..) I didn't know- 753411_754125 Obviously I didn't know what I was missing 754125_755759 if I'd ⌈ &{l=@ done I'd done ⌉ that &}l=@ ⌈2 &=in ⌉2 . 755759_758083 *JON: ⌊ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌋ 756138_757039 ⌊2 Obviously ⌋2 . 757489_758083 *ALAN: ⌈3 But you know ⌉3 . 758083_758424 *JON: ⌊3 &=in ⌋3 . 758083_758424 *ALAN: &=in ⌈4 &{l=X It was &}l=X ⌉4 +... 758424_759143 *JON: ⌊4 But still ⌋4 five-hundred dollars was a lot of money in those- +... 758674_760943 *ALAN: ʔuh (.) Five-hundred dol⌈5lars was ⌉5 +... 760943_762525 *JON: ⌊5 You didn't spend ⌋5 that much on the whole trip ⌈6 probably ⌉6 . 761940_764124 *ALAN: ⌊6 Oh h⌋6ell I w- I 763707_764784 you know I w- I 764784_765580 I would s- I would say probably 765580_767483 (..) certainly we didn't spend five-hundred dollars for 767483_770542 uh: 770542_771099 (..) for 771099_772159 (..) novelties and things of that nature 772159_774527 you know it was +/. 774527_774988 *ALAN: You tal- you talking about a lo:ng time ago . 774988_777000 *ALAN: Mexico City was chea:p . 777000_778506 *ALAN: ⌈ Je:sus Christ ⌉ . 778506_779507 *JON: ⌊ Oh man it was ⌋ +... 778506_779507 *ALAN: I mean 779482_779798 &=in &=lengthened We (.) we we stayed in a f:irst rate 779798_782555 (.) I guess what you call today a four star hotel but 782555_785277 &=in hell 785277_785897 I don't imagine we paid 785897_787097 (..) twenty dollars 787097_789115 twenty-five dollars a night . 789115_790400 *ALAN: (..) You know ⌈ XX ⌉ uh uh . 790400_792541 *JON: ⌊ Probably ⌋ . 791418_791820 *JON: Prob⌈2ably ⌉2 . 792531_793040 *ALAN: ⌊2 But ⌋2 uh 792728_793412 anyhow 793412_794201 (..) uh (.) I I I +/. 794201_795816 *ALAN: (..) &{l=X God &}l=X I my +/. 795816_798495 *ALAN: (..) I give my wife the story 798495_800215 Every once in a while this guy's name +/. 800215_801818 *ALAN: Cause uh I I I (.) I (.) I like this guy 801818_804673 love him . 804673_805251 *ALAN: &=in (.) Uh 805251_806372 and of course 806372_807415 (..) you know I've never 807415_808820 (..) uh 808820_810102 (..) XX 810102_812706 (..) This one over here on the right 812706_815639 (..) although it's signed by 815639_817797 by n- 817797_818253 (.) Nier- +/. 818253_818940 *ALAN: By 818940_819324 by LeRoy Neiman 819324_820397 Paul XX 820397_821334 (..) and a: uh 821334_823440 (..) And is also signed by the artist 823440_826019 &=in it was done for a: 826019_828187 (.) uh . 828187_828879 *JON: (..) Poster ? 828879_829914 *ALAN: (..) A benefit 829914_830671 it was a poster . 830671_831472 *ALAN: (..) That's just 831472_832639 That's not a 832639_833294 (..) that's not what they call a seriograph 833294_835383 &=in the Joe N- 835383_836324 the Joe uh Namath 836324_837580 (.) ⌈ Who was of course ⌉ an Ala⌈2bama ⌉2 football player . 837580_839412 *JON: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 837697_838139 *JON: ⌊2 Yeah ⌋2 . 838396_838603 *ALAN: &=in is 839412_840112 I saw it out in San Francisco 840112_841824 and my 841824_842124 (..) my (.) my in-laws bought that for me 842124_845115 (..) uh 845115_845871 (..) but uh: 845871_847423 (..) uh: . 847423_848679 *JON: (..) It's a beauty though . 848679_850096 *ALAN: That's my 850096_850744 That th- that's my r- 850744_851818 That's my 851818_852412 (..) my experience with one of those machines . 852412_855261 *ALAN: I didn't have enough judgment to 855261_856880 &=in (..) to ⌈ trade him that fucking machine . 856880_859400 *JON: ⌊ To give him the machine . 857896_858996 *JON: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌋ . 858996_860078 *ALAN: because I'd say ⌉ probably it wasn't 859400_861440 (..) Like it was like computers . 861440_863839 *ALAN: (..) Well in a year or so after that 863839_865541 that thing was so impractical . 865541_866935 *ALAN: (.) Cause it was s- 866935_867735 (..) heavy heavy heavy . 867735_869693 *ALAN: &=in (.) You- 869693_870714 uh and . 870714_871342 *JON: Well they're- +/. 871342_871875 *JON: (.) ʔit's ⌈ like you s⌉ay I +... 871875_873355 *ALAN: ⌊ XX ⌋ . 872400_872755 *JON: ⌈2 Eloise ⌉2 gave me one for Chri⌈3stmas about ⌉3 +... 873355_875368 *ALAN: ⌊2 X ⌋2 873405_873827 ⌊3 This big ⌋3 . 874720_875368 *ALAN: You know 875368_875853 and you buy one for 875853_876803 (..) sixty dollars . 876803_878074 *ALAN: Eighty dollars . 878074_878937 *ALAN: (..) I got one 878937_879762 I bought from Radio Shack . 879762_881085 *ALAN: It's +... 881085_881340 *JON: ⌈ &=in Well did Rae ⌉ ever get uh Nierman . 881340_883458 *ALAN: ⌊ &=in XXX ⌋ 881340_882240 (..) No . 883458_884394 *ALAN: (..) Never did get it . 884394_885538 *ALAN: (..) But she nudged me when she got back 885538_888019 but of course 888019_888575 (..) I guess 888575_889411 I haven't done it recently 889411_890465 but over the years I like to tell her this story . 890465_892580 *JON: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌈ &=laugh &=laugh ⌉ . 892580_893560 *ALAN: ⌊ tonight ⌋ 893111_893571 because I haven't thought about it in a long time 893571_895913 &=in And she'll say to me 895913_896904 &{l=VOX I told you ⌈ to get em . 896904_898174 *JON: ⌊ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌋ . 897622_899760 *ALAN: I told you &}l=VOX . 898171_898972 *ALAN: I must've gone ⌉ into the place fi:ve ti:mes . 898972_901256 *ALAN: You know 901256_901544 ⌈ I'd go ⌉ in there . 901544_902119 *JON: ⌊ XX ⌋ . 901636_901975 *ALAN: and your mouth is just &{l=VOX watering &}l=VOX . 902119_903719 *ALAN: &=in (..) Shit . 903719_904978 *ALAN: If I buy ⌈ those ⌉ +... 904978_905737 *JON: ⌊ But y⌋ou knew you were gonna have to buy ⌈2 her w- ⌉2 +... 905458_907365 *ALAN: ⌊2 Well ⌋2 if I had to +/. 907030_907787 *ALAN: If I bought those things 907787_909205 (..) Shit I'd have to buy her that da:mn ⌈ thing ⌉ . 909205_911760 *JON: ⌊ Oh ⌋ 911436_911787 ain't no ⌈2 question ⌉2 . 911777_912586 *ALAN: ⌊2 And there w⌋2as no: question about that 912206_914198 there wouldn't've been &{l=X any liv- &}l=X +/. 914198_914917 *ALAN: Wouldn't been any living with her . 914917_916140 *ALAN: You know 916140_916541 it's uh 916541_916940 y- y- 916940_917784 (.) &=in You know 917784_918700 (..) h- I +/. 918700_919505 *ALAN: (..) I've gotten a lot better . 919505_921580 *ALAN: (..) But in those days 921580_923696 (..) you know 923696_924353 hell I was 924353_925063 (..) uh: 925063_925870 (..) maybe 925870_927497 (..) I was 927497_928966 (..) s- see . 928966_930775 *ALAN: (..) Sixty-eight 930775_932208 seventy-eight eighty-eight 932208_933038 (..) X +/. 933038_934794 *ALAN: (..) Just twenty-seven twenty-eight years ago . 934794_937438 *ALAN: I was (.) thirty-eight (.) thirty-nine (.) years old . 937438_940100 *ALAN: (..) &=in And uh 940100_941837 (..) I 941837_943256 (..) I sure didn't have +/. 943256_946480 *ALAN: ʔuh I sure wasn't prosperous . 946480_947815 *ALAN: I had my damn trip budgeted . 947815_949439 *ALAN: &=in (..) And uh 949439_950801 (..) to have gone out there and spent 950801_952633 (..) another fifteen-hundred to two-thousand dollars for artwork 952633_956555 (..) you know 956555_957860 (..) my mother 957860_959443 who was you know strong as moose meat 959443_961360 (..) come back 961360_962779 (..) if she'd've known . 962779_964991 *JON: (..) ⌈ &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh ⌉ . 964991_968944 *ALAN: ⌊ She'd've figured I needed my fucking head examined . 965555_967464 *ALAN: &=laugh &=ex &=lengthened ⌋ . 967464_968944 *JON: &=in She'd've deducted it . 968944_970500 *JON: &=laugh &=laugh (.) &=in ⌈ &=lengthened . 970500_971791 *ALAN: ⌊ &{l=WH Shit &}l=WH ⌋ . 971390_972059 *JON: Oh⌉: . 971791_972441 *ALAN: (.) Any rate uh . 972441_973817 *JON: That's a good story th⌈ough ⌉ . 973817_975057 *ALAN: ⌊ Ah ⌋ it's (..) true story . 974903_976317 *JON: Good story . 976317_976837 *ALAN: True story . 976837_977554 *ALAN: &=in (.) It was a true story . 977554_979380 *ALAN: I I +... 979380_980101 *JON: (..) Well it would've cost you that to replace the doggone (..) machine ? 980101_984046 *ALAN: &=in Aw I'd've had to replace it for the store 984046_986124 &=in uh 986124_986974 but as I said it was only a matter of 986974_988435 (..) I guess a year 988435_989985 (..) those things were really antiquated- . 989985_991846 *ALAN: (.) Although we used em a lot . 991846_993546 *ALAN: Uh 993546_993855 in those days 993855_994804 (..) and I 994804_995764 (.) you know I (.) recorded the whole trip 995764_997970 (.) &=in (.) and uh 997970_999419 you know things that we did 999419_1000785 (..) It was a wonderful trip 1000785_1002440 &{l=X we had ⌈ good times &}l=X ⌉ . 1002440_1003440 *JON: ⌊ Better than keeping a ⌋ diary ? 1002620_1003944 *ALAN: Oh yeah . 1003944_1004407 *ALAN: A lot easier . 1004407_1005216 *ALAN: It really is . 1005216_1006135 *ALAN: (.) Uh . 1006135_1006479 *JON: (.) We +... 1006479_1006879 *ALAN: (.) ⌈ I keep a ⌉ +... 1006879_1007835 *JON: ⌊ Remember we tried ⌋ keeping a diary on the China trip 1007141_1009572 and man it was (..) arduous . 1009572_1011315 *ALAN: Well 1011315_1011680 (..) I keep a diary- +/. 1011680_1012860 *ALAN: course I (.) we (.) we haven't traveled much lately 1012860_1014915 I keep a diary 1014915_1016106 (..) when I 1016106_1017315 (..) go out of the country . 1017315_1019039 *ALAN: (..) Still got em in here . 1019039_1020301 *ALAN: (.) Otherwise 1020301_1020980 &=in my problem is 1020980_1022562 (..) and it's a lot easier to do it that way 1022562_1025021 but I 1025021_1025366 (..) I keep I diary when I go out of the country . 1025366_1027665 *JON: (.) &=SNIFF . 1027665_1028273 *ALAN: The problem is 1028273_1029300 (..) ʔuh: with me 1029300_1031012 (..) not that it comes up too much 1031012_1032839 &=in (.) but someone'll say something to me about somewhere I s- 1032839_1035884 &=POUND (.) Shit 1035884_1036571 I (.) I 1036571_1037171 (.) you know I 1037171_1037645 (..) I forgot where I went . 1037645_1039640 *ALAN: I have to look 1039640_1040280 cause I can't remember . 1040280_1041381 *JON: &=in Well you go to so many places 1041381_1043386 (.) on a cruise particularly 1043386_1045042 ⌈ you know ⌉ . 1045042_1045353 *ALAN: ⌊ Yeah ⌋ . 1045037_1045444 *JON: &=in (..) So many places in a short time 1045444_1048058 that you get em mixed up . 1048058_1049258 *JON: Now we can't even keep our photos straight without the diary . 1049258_1052026 *ALAN: Oh yeah . 1052026_1052636 *ALAN: Well you know 1052636_1053236 (.) y- when you get back from your trip 1053236_1055297 (..) until you make another trip 1055297_1057886 (..) you can remember . 1057886_1059255 *ALAN: But 1059255_1059521 having taken as many trips as you've taken 1059521_1061619 &=in shit 1061619_1062258 they sorta run together . 1062258_1063375 *ALAN: I'm talking about . 1063375_1064292 *JON: (..) They d⌈o ⌉ . 1064292_1064960 *ALAN: ⌊ the ⌋ ones that were fi⌈2:ve years ago ⌉2 . 1064835_1066547 *JON: ⌊2 Honest they do ⌋2 . 1065723_1066433 *ALAN: to separate the trip that you went on this one f- +/. 1066547_1068886 *ALAN: &=in It's tough to do . 1068886_1070304 *ALAN: &=in (..) And uh 1070304_1071660 (..) but 1071660_1072380 (..) they're a lot +/. 1072380_1073478 *ALAN: that's a lot easier than a diary 1073478_1074653 then you can transcribe it . 1074653_1076141 *ALAN: &=in But uh 1076141_1077446 (..) I don't take 1077446_1078600 (..) I don't take my diary in the domestic United States 1078600_1081247 and we haven't traveled all that much 1081247_1082690 but I have taken em 1082690_1083740 (..) uh: 1083740_1085026 (..) first trip I made 1085026_1087691 (..) ʔuh (.) you know 1087691_1090196 o- out 1090196_1090827 (..) XXX 1090827_1092100 In nineteen-seventy-six . 1092100_1094056 *ALAN: (..) &=in XXX +/. 1094056_1095759 *ALAN: Tha- +/. 1095759_1096365 *ALAN: (..) Outside of (..) Mexico 1096365_1098715 out of the country 1098715_1099539 was I went to 1099539_1100140 (..) Uh: we went to 1100140_1102058 I went to the Orient . 1102058_1102957 *ALAN: (..) On a business trip . 1102957_1105012 *ALAN: XX exploratory trip 1105012_1106473 &{l=X I was there for &}l=X (..) fifteen days 1106473_1108207 worked my ass off . 1108207_1109276 *ALAN: (..) But it was uh 1109276_1111119 went to uh 1111119_1112079 (..) Japan 1112079_1112964 went to Osaka 1112964_1113760 which was the textile city 1113760_1115260 (..) and then uh 1115260_1116820 (..) Taipei and Hong Kong . 1116820_1118997 *ALAN: &=in Uh: 1118997_1120100 and it was a 1120100_1121099 You've been . 1121099_1121791 *ALAN: (..) U:m but it was for me 1121791_1124342 (..) uh 1124342_1125519 (..) uh not only an education 1125519_1127420 we'd been doing some importing 1127420_1128847 (..) but uh: through 1128847_1131079 (..) a group . 1131079_1132311 *ALAN: (..) And it was a group of us that went . 1132311_1133872 *ALAN: I guess it probably was 1133872_1135119 (..) a dozen in our group that went . 1135119_1137659 *ALAN: (..) There was a group of stores that we were associated with 1137659_1140726 &=in (.) it was a (.) a (.) an interesting trip 1140726_1143737 uh: 1143737_1144374 (..) ʔuh very educational . 1144374_1146614 *ALAN: &=in (..) Uh 1146614_1148279 (..) still got my notes from nineteen-seventy-six but 1148279_1151279 (.) s- (.) and all those god damn cards 1151279_1153142 you know how they get over there 1153142_1153761 everybody gives ⌈ you ⌉ . 1153761_1154536 *JON: ⌊ &=laugh ⌋ . 1154265_1154500 *ALAN: (.) gives you . 1154537_1155185 *JON: Yeah . 1155185_1155541 *ALAN: (.) gives you a card . 1155541_1156712 *ALAN: (..) I'll never forget how impressed I was with 1156712_1159375 of a:ll the Orientals 1159375_1160600 the Japanese are so: bright . 1160600_1162500 *ALAN: My god . 1162500_1163247 *ALAN: (.) And uh just uh 1163247_1164425 (..) uh: (..) uh . 1164425_1166461 *JON: (..) ⌈ Catch &{n=SNAPPING &=nonvocal on ⌉ like &=nonvocal that &}n=SNAPPING . 1166461_1167531 *ALAN: ⌊ They jus- ⌋ +... 1166677_1167085 *JON: Don't they . 1167531_1167960 *ALAN: Oh . 1167960_1168277 *ALAN: (..) They really they +/. 1168277_1170285 *ALAN: (.) they really they real- they really . 1170285_1171759 *JON: They work at though man 1171759_1173135 and the Chinese work at it . 1173135_1174501 *JON: They're good students 1174501_1175629 &=in Y⌈ou know ⌉ . 1175629_1176403 *ALAN: ⌊ Well ye⌋ah . 1175962_1176586 *ALAN: (..) well 1176586_1177170 you know 1177170_1177495 we ⌈ see ⌉ . 1177495_1177945 *JON: ⌊ Listen ⌋ 1177661_1177965 look at these (.) people from India . 1177965_1179540 *JON: What s- good students they are . 1179540_1180797 *JON: ⌈ Some of your fine doc⌉tors . 1180797_1182008 *ALAN: ⌊ It's amazing &{l=X ain't it &}l=X ⌋ . 1180797_1181834 *JON: yeah . 1182008_1182333 *ALAN: You know we see these people 1182333_1183713 you know y- +/. 1183713_1184238 *ALAN: (..) You know we've talked about this 1184238_1187294 (..) &{l=X on groups for years &}l=X 1187294_1189120 &=in (.) all the problems we got with the Blacks 1189120_1191238 I was just reading an article 1191238_1192485 (..) I believe it was the paper this morning . 1192485_1196047 *ALAN: (..) Where I read it . 1196047_1198092 *ALAN: Maybe it was New York Times yesterday . 1198092_1199852 *ALAN: (..) &{l=MRC Thirty-three percent &}l=MRC 1199852_1203484 (..) of the Black (..) juveniles in their twenties 1203484_1208277 (..) are either in jail . 1208277_1210124 *JON: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh . 1210124_1210814 *ALAN: (..) on paro:le 1210814_1213116 (..) or just released . 1213116_1218059 *ALAN: (..) Thirty-three percent . 1218059_1219642 *ALAN: (..) And then I 1219642_1220875 I read (.) in a⌈nother art- ⌉ +... 1220875_1222400 *JON: ⌊ And (.) that doesn't ⌋ count how many got away . 1221600_1223633 *ALAN: (.) Oh that's right . 1223633_1224632 *ALAN: (..) But that's of the +/. 1224632_1225898 *ALAN: (..) ʔuh in their twenties . 1225898_1227779 *ALAN: (..) I read an article 1227779_1229202 (.) within the last three or four months 1229202_1231206 (..) and I'm 1231206_1233261 I believe I'm correct on this figure that 1233261_1235135 (..) &{l=MRC twelve percent of the Black male population &}l=MRC of the United States &{l=MRC is &{n=POUNDING &=nonvocal in &=nonvocal prison &}l=MRC . 1235135_1242299 *ALAN: (..) &=nonvocal Twelve per &=nonvocal cent &}n=POUNDING . 1242299_1244450 *ALAN: (..) Of the Black male population . 1244450_1246274 *ALAN: As you say 1246274_1246831 how many di- +/. 1246831_1247356 *ALAN: You know 1247356_1247656 how many oughta be in jail 1247656_1248866 (..) probably that many more . 1248866_1250049 *ALAN: &=in (.) But the point I was gonna make is 1250049_1252280 (..) and there're always exceptions . 1252280_1254905 *ALAN: (..) Uh (.) not to take anything away from uh 1254905_1257905 (..) Percy Jones . 1257905_1258954 *ALAN: Whose article I read this morning . 1258954_1260559 *ALAN: &=in (.) because I mean he's 1260559_1262022 I don't know 1262022_1262447 (.) what his family had 1262447_1263588 but I mean he's 1263588_1264249 (.) you know he's 1264249_1264899 he's c- he's (.) he's 1264899_1266049 (..) come out of it . 1266049_1267653 *ALAN: (..) But 1267653_1268426 (..) by and large across the board 1268426_1270601 &=POUND (..) ʔuh: 1270601_1271630 (..) &=in (.) they've just never educated themselves . 1271630_1275131 *ALAN: Coming from these back⌈grounds . 1275131_1276509 *JON: ⌊ &=in Well that's the hard p⌋art . 1276164_1277670 *ALAN: and (.) and yet you s- ⌉ +... 1276509_1277470 *JON: they haven't educat⌈2ed themselves ⌉2 . 1277670_1279193 *ALAN: ⌊2 And you see these ⌋2 people come here from &{n=POUNDING &=nonvocal Taiwa:n 1278506_1281920 (..) &=nonvocal Ko:rea 1281920_1283486 (.) &=nonvocal Cambodia &}n=POUNDING 1283486_1284839 (..) Taipei 1284839_1286358 (..) parents can't speak English 1286358_1288240 they come over not speaking English 1288240_1290006 &=in (.) and they 1290006_1291185 they excel (.) scholastically 1291185_1293610 &=in in the most difficult subjects . 1293610_1295784 *ALAN: I mean chemistry 1295784_1296769 physics 1296769_1297576 (.) medicine . 1297576_1298578 *ALAN: (.) &=in I remember one year 1298578_1300302 (..) &{l=X there for &}l=X at the time I remember reading the article 1300302_1304221 it's been ten or twelve years ago 1304221_1305425 but fourteen 1305425_1306245 were . 1306245_1306695 *ALAN: Fourteen 1306695_1307377 (..) uh (..) public (..) and private (..) high schools in Shreveport-Bos . 1307377_1312528 *ALAN: &{l=P I don't know how many there are today &}l=P . 1312528_1313583 *ALAN: I remember that 1313583_1314155 (..) it was a big article 1314155_1315945 that fi:ve valedictorians . 1315945_1317995 *ALAN: (..) For (..) sh_just Shreveport-Bossier . 1317995_1321502 *ALAN: (..) Five valedictorians that year were of Oriental descent . 1321502_1324655 *ALAN: (.) &=in You know 1324655_1325655 couldn't've been at that ti⌈me ⌉ . 1325655_1326797 *JON: ⌊ &=SNIFF ⌋ &=lengthened . 1326728_1326997 *ALAN: (..) two hundred and fif⌈2ty f⌉2amilies in the whole damn area . 1326997_1329870 *JON: ⌊2 No ⌋2 . 1328140_1328451 *ALAN: (..) Uh . 1329870_1331251 *JON: (.) &=laugh . 1331251_1331612 *ALAN: You know and you ⌈ &{l=X think &}l=X ⌉ +... 1331612_1332518 *JON: ⌊ You know um ⌋ . 1331992_1332518 *ALAN: and you think about the Jews 1332493_1333768 the Irish 1333768_1334311 and the Blacks 1334311_1335123 and it's the same (.) all over the fucking ⌈ world ⌉ . 1335123_1337374 *JON: ⌊ Mm ⌋ . 1336779_1337250 *ALAN: &=in And I just read an article in New York Times . 1337374_1340142 *ALAN: (..) Yesterday . 1340142_1341052 *ALAN: I clipped it . 1341052_1341602 *ALAN: For my wife to read . 1341602_1342627 *ALAN: (.) &=in &=lengthened Uh 1342627_1344232 (..) about the fact (..) that 1344232_1347535 (..) in Israel 1347535_1348744 (..) where they have brought in 1348744_1351140 (..) thirty-thousand 1351140_1353185 (..) where do the dark ones come from . 1353185_1355606 *JON: (.) ⌈ Ethiopia ⌉ . 1355606_1356521 *ALAN: ⌊ Ethiopia ⌋ . 1355706_1356521 *ALAN: &=in (.) Uh: 1356521_1358079 (..) and five-hundred-thousand Russians . 1358079_1361138 *ALAN: (.) Ha- (.) very proud of the fact (.) that they've been able to do this 1361138_1364157 &=in in a country of five million people . 1364157_1366516 *ALAN: &=in Uh: 1366516_1367840 (..) which 1367840_1368736 (..) would devastate most countries . 1368736_1371716 *ALAN: I mean they 1371716_1372315 (..) uh . 1372315_1373074 *JON: It's ten percent . 1373074_1373880 *ALAN: (..) the 1373880_1374751 (..) and and the 1374751_1375782 the Ethiopians in particular 1375782_1377687 had a big march last week . 1377687_1379127 *ALAN: Because they're second-class citizens . 1379127_1380786 *ALAN: The Jews look down on them too . 1380786_1382156 *ALAN: You know they got a 1382156_1382720 &=in they got a 1382720_1383543 they got a 1383543_1384146 uh 1384146_1384625 (..) a class: situation 1384625_1386677 they look different 1386677_1387521 they +/. 1387521_1387771 *ALAN: &=in And +/. 1387771_1388420 *ALAN: Course they haven't accepted the Russians too well either . 1388420_1390484 *ALAN: (..) Uuh 1390484_1391960 (..) ʔalthough the 1391960_1393260 the (.) the Russians 1393260_1394031 a high percentage of Russians are 1394031_1395819 (.) according to this article 1395819_1396877 (..) uh are (.) scientists 1396877_1399327 doctors 1399327_1400114 (..) engineers 1400114_1401485 mathematicians 1401485_1402656 (..) and they +... 1402656_1403816 *JON: Ed- educated the ⌈ difficult way ⌉ . 1403816_1405726 *ALAN: ⌊ On areas ⌋ (.) score 1404860_1406465 score higher on the test than the 1406465_1408396 than the (.) th- the native-borns 1408396_1410133 but there's a big 1410133_1410844 (..) you know there's a 1410844_1411964 &=in the- the- there's a 1411964_1413869 there's a there's a class differential . 1413869_1415661 *ALAN: Which was interesting . 1415661_1416367 *ALAN: I I really 1416367_1417104 &=in hadn't thought about it in many years 1417104_1419513 (..) how those Blacks 1419513_1421255 (..) uh had (.) integrated into the ci- society . 1421255_1424901 *ALAN: (..) I am told 1424901_1426136 I haven't seen any of em 1426136_1427071 but the Blacks 1427071_1427719 th- they're not like our Blacks . 1427719_1429310 *ALAN: ⌈ they're ⌉ . 1429310_1429526 *JON: ⌊ No ⌋ no . 1429317_1429771 *ALAN: (..) Small 1429771_1430833 you know smaller features 1430833_1432284 but uh 1432284_1432864 (..) they are (..) dark skinned 1432864_1435686 (..) and uh 1435686_1437042 they look different X . 1437042_1438022 *ALAN: And uh 1438022_1438931 (..) I don't know whether there are any other Black Jews over there 1438931_1441659 (.) but uh 1441659_1442317 (..) XXX +/. 1442317_1444036 *ALAN: ⌈ XXX ⌉ +... 1444036_1444630 *JON: ⌊ A lot from S⌋outh Africa 1444036_1445330 but they're well-educated people down there . 1445355_1447462 *JON: (..) A lot of em . 1447462_1448344 *ALAN: (..) A lot of Jews from South ⌈ Afri- ⌉ . 1448344_1449960 *JON: ⌊ Oh ⌋ yeah . 1449696_1450254 *ALAN: &=in I'm s- +/. 1450254_1451016 *ALAN: I know that this fellow (..) Go:ldstone 1451016_1453602 who was a head of this uh (..) international war tri- crimes tribunal 1453602_1458342 (..) is a (.) Jewish fellow 1458342_1460414 because there was a picture of him in the paper with a yammaka on . 1460414_1462752 *JON: Mm . 1462752_1463105 *JON: &=laugh &=laugh &=laugh . 1463105_1463773 *ALAN: (.) You ⌈ had to look close XX ⌉ . 1463773_1464761 *JON: ⌊ &=in Pretty good i⌋ndication . 1463844_1465276 *ALAN: Pretty good indication . 1465276_1466284 *JON: (.) &=in ⌈ Well you know ⌉ . 1466284_1467724 *ALAN: ⌊ But uh ⌋ . 1466964_1467726 *JON: (..) these ʔuh +/. 1467726_1469001 *JON: (.) These ʔuh +/. 1469001_1469646 *JON: What astounds me is 1469646_1471004 and this goes back into nineteen 1471004_1473012 (..) &=in &=ex let's see &{l=X Duna &}l=X 1473012_1476872 (..) &=ex 1476872_1477480 (..) &{l=X died in &}l=X seventy-seven or something 1477480_1480565 so this 1480565_1481017 (..) &=in this goes back 1481017_1483042 (..) oh further than that 1483042_1484999 maybe nineteen-seventy . 1484999_1486347 *JON: (..) &=in (.) in ʔuh +/. 1486347_1488519 *JON: in Houston 1488519_1489281 (..) . 1489281_1489862 @End