0.000 2.589 >ENV: ... ((DOOR_OPENING)) 2.589 4.447 REED: ... Hey man. 4.447 4.934 DARREN: Hey. 4.934 6.420 REED: ... Good to see you, 6.420 6.954 @@ 6.954 8.464 ... we=ll, 8.464 12.328 ... I see you went ahead with your plans to do a little skiing there? 12.328 12.879 DARREN: .. I did. 12.879 13.234 @@ 13.234 13.408 SALLY: @ 13.408 14.046 REED: We=ll, 14.046 15.579 I'm glad you didn't hurt yourself too bad, 15.579 16.185 DARREN: [Me too]. 15.637 17.163 REED: [and she says] you're [2getting better2] already, 16.212 16.788 >ENV: [2((DOOR_CLOSING))2] 17.163 18.591 REED: so that's always a good sign. 18.591 18.969 DARREN: .. Yeah, 18.969 19.619 I mean I couldn't -- 19.619 21.848 ... I couldn't begin to [ the slightest pressure]. 20.757 21.151 REED: [Yeah, 21.151 22.208 easy easy], 22.208 22.684 yeah don't -- 22.684 24.518 DARREN: ... (H) Tha[t still hur]ts back here. 23.404 23.787 REED: [Yeah], 24.518 25.014 .. yeah. 25.014 25.614 ... Well, 25.614 26.761 you don't want to .. stretch, 26.761 27.550 see what happened, 27.550 27.875 you st- -- 27.875 28.764 ... Ch- -- 28.764 29.780 .. According to this other guy, 29.780 31.355 you stretched your ligaments in there, 31.355 34.240 (H) and the ligaments are the things that hold your joint together, 34.240 35.856 keep it from flopping around so, 35.856 36.870 (H) if they get, 36.870 37.567 ... you know, 37.567 38.624 stretched just a little, 38.624 40.126 when they try to peel down, 40.126 40.875 and tighten up, 40.875 41.652 and you don't want to, 41.652 43.080 (H) ... you know, 43.080 45.599 get em too la=x while they're trying to tighten. 45.599 45.924 You know, 45.924 48.201 you want to let em .. heal as strong as they can. 48.201 49.087 I mean you can move it, 49.087 51.382 I'm not saying you got to go around with it just totally, 51.382 55.798 (H)= but you don't wanna stretch those ... ligaments very much when, 55.798 56.541 while they're healing. 56.541 56.796 Just -- 56.796 59.450 (H) ... Just gra=dually bring it around. 59.450 60.170 DARREN: .. [Okay]. 59.803 62.042 REED: [Are you u]sing any kind of walking aids. 62.042 62.509 DARREN: [2Hm-mm2]. 62.042 62.509 REED: [2Nope2]. 62.509 63.809 ... Just walking around. 63.809 64.134 Hunh? 64.134 64.715 DARREN: .. Yeah, 64.715 64.982 I had, 64.982 66.828 for the first two days I had a crutch or two. 66.828 67.524 REED: .. Okay. 67.524 68.618 DARREN: I switched from two to one, 68.618 69.268 like a cane, 69.268 69.653 and then I, 69.653 69.976 REED: Yeah. 69.976 70.394 Okay. 70.394 71.218 DARREN: ... Uh=, 71.218 72.598 .. it was really .. icy there, 72.598 73.048 so I, 73.048 74.208 .. it had a spike on it, 74.208 74.708 so[= I] -- 74.406 74.847 REED: [Oh], 74.847 75.556 that was neat. 75.556 76.194 DARREN: ... Yeah. 76.194 77.970 Peg it in the @ground. 77.970 78.763 REED: .. If you forget, 78.763 80.273 and walk inside with your spike, 80.273 82.065 I guess you're [not too] well appreciated. 80.823 81.190 DARREN: [(SNEEZE)] 82.065 82.723 @No[2= @2]. 82.273 82.999 REED: [22] @. 82.999 83.533 DARREN: .. @No, 83.533 83.824 @ 83.824 85.089 REED: .. Let me set you up there. 85.089 85.713 (THROAT) 85.713 86.990 DARREN: Is it okay if I record this, 86.990 87.304 I -- 87.304 88.081 I alread[y have] -- 87.582 87.965 REED: [Sure]. 87.965 89.289 DARREN: ... It's [2for a2] pro[3ject3]. 88.546 88.824 REED: [2Sure2]. 89.126 89.486 [3(THROAT)3] 89.486 90.043 Sure. 90.043 90.977 DARREN: ... Cool. 90.977 92.940 REED: ... Alright, 92.940 93.834 what are you doing over there. 93.834 95.970 I thought you were doing something (Hx) .. different. 95.970 97.781 I thought you were working with languages in -- 97.781 98.767 DARREN: ... Okla[homa]? 98.612 98.865 REED: [Hunh]? 98.865 100.792 DARREN: ... Or in California. 100.792 101.233 REED: I mean, 101.233 101.712 well yeah, 101.712 103.416 y- California your basic pro[ject], 103.276 104.461 DARREN: [I] wa=s in linguistics. 104.461 105.724 That's [2what this project2]'s for, 104.646 105.192 REED: [2Yeah that's2] -- 105.724 105.974 DARREN: but, 105.974 107.181 ... I did a year of it, 107.181 108.671 an=d decided it wasn't quite, 108.671 109.585 .. what I [really l-] -- 109.271 109.535 REED: [Quite], 109.585 110.432 quite what you want, 110.432 110.787 okay. 110.787 111.024 DARREN: Yeah, 111.024 111.732 it was an unfortunate, 111.732 113.591 cause I really don't know quite what I @want @. 113.591 114.660 REED: ... We=ll that's alright. 114.660 115.239 ... I mean, 115.239 116.400 there's a lot of things out there, 116.400 117.341 you'll find something. 117.341 118.239 DARREN: .. I hope so (Hx). 118.239 118.739 REED: You know, 118.739 118.962 % -- 118.962 120.143 DARREN: .. I [move to O]klahoma. 119.312 119.645 REED: [X] -- 120.143 120.967 ... Completely. 120.967 122.747 My son is still flopping around, 122.747 122.964 he -- 122.964 127.023 (H) ... He uh graduated from medical school this year and uh, 127.023 128.141 I mean he's in uh, 128.141 129.707 ... Soho in New York. 129.707 130.531 DARREN: ... Reall[y]. 130.427 131.959 REED: [S]tarting an art .. career, 131.948 133.794 ... @= 133.794 135.094 DARREN: @[@@@] @ 134.072 134.781 REED: [@So=], 135.059 135.791 .. so you see, 135.791 136.058 I mean, 136.058 136.859 a lot of people, 136.859 137.697 (H) you know, 137.697 138.975 I mean he's gonna paint for a year, 138.975 141.338 and just see whether he can do well enough with th[at to] -- 141.134 142.446 DARREN: [Cause he] doesn't want to be a doctor after all? 142.446 142.725 REED: Well, 142.725 145.261 he couldn't find anything he really wanted to do. 145.261 145.696 You know, 145.696 146.317 I mean he, 146.317 147.827 DARREN: ... Did he [spec]ialize [22]? 147.014 147.339 REED: [he] -- 147.577 148.477 [2(H)2] Well that's what I mean, 148.477 148.702 no, 148.702 149.754 he hasn't specialized yet. 149.754 152.156 But he couldn't find anything that just really, 152.156 153.526 ... pulled him toward it, 153.526 155.210 ... a=nd so he said well, 155.210 157.576 .. (H) ... you know (Hx), 157.576 161.268 (H) I guess he got a lot out of always doing art when he was young and, 161.268 163.093 he's gotta scratch that little itch, 163.093 163.660 .. I [think, 163.381 164.084 DARREN: [Good for him]. 163.660 164.058 REED: a=nd], 164.058 164.910 so he's up there, 164.910 166.220 and he'll give it a year and, 166.220 167.265 .. see what happens. 167.265 168.043 And the same for you, 168.043 168.391 you got -- 168.391 169.517 (H) You got plenty of -- 169.517 170.720 (H) There's= .. uh, 170.720 171.684 .. fortunately, 171.684 174.076 ... this day and time I think it allows, 174.076 175.875 ... % one to, 175.875 177.339 .. proceed like you're and-, 177.339 178.207 you're proceeding, 178.207 179.182 and he's proceeding. 179.182 179.657 And I think it, 179.657 181.132 I think it's the right thing to do. 181.132 181.608 I would've d- -- 181.608 184.231 I would probably do the same thing were I, 184.231 184.580 you know, 184.580 186.242 another generation down the line. 186.242 187.235 (H) You know, 187.235 187.935 although I r- %, 187.935 190.243 .. I didn't make the wrong decision for me. 190.243 190.708 ... But, 190.708 193.185 ... I'm sure I would have been a lot more. 193.185 194.114 ... Uh, 194.114 195.449 ... uh, 195.449 196.316 ... I guess, 196.316 197.302 diligent in in, 197.302 198.800 working it out beforehand but, 198.800 199.513 (H) in, 199.513 200.298 in my time, 200.298 200.623 you know, 200.623 201.768 you really kinda just -- 201.768 203.519 .. There wasn't too many things to do, 203.519 204.144 you know, 204.144 204.369 and, 204.369 205.739 you- .. too many opportunities, 205.739 206.749 and so you just kinda, 206.749 208.443 (H) chose between a few, 208.443 208.693 and, 208.693 209.422 .. that was it. 209.422 209.933 DARREN: ... Yeah. 209.933 210.351 [@@] 209.921 210.757 REED: [@=]= 210.757 211.825 DARREN: [2@@2] (H) 210.966 211.407 REED: [2@So2], 211.825 214.684 ... a little simpler lifesty=le in those days. 214.684 216.182 (H) .. Tell me where it hurts. 216.182 217.054 DARREN: ... Uh, 217.054 218.480 .. still a little bit back here. 218.480 219.061 REED: .. Mm-kay. 219.061 221.073 DARREN: Doesn't feel quite normal .. back there, 221.073 221.708 ... un[der] -- 221.557 221.917 REED: [Okay]. 221.917 223.844 DARREN: ... It .. originall[2y hurt2] -- 223.264 224.093 REED: [2On the si2]=des, 224.093 224.334 yeah, 224.334 225.632 the [sides] don't hurt mu[2=ch2]? 224.434 224.807 DARREN: [It would] -- 225.443 226.075 [2Not a2]nymore. 226.075 226.986 [3I think it did at3] fir- -- 226.307 226.778 REED: [3Mm-kay3], 226.981 227.608 DARREN: at [4first4]. 227.224 227.507 REED: [4great4]. 227.507 228.927 DARREN: ... He drew some blood out, 228.927 230.247 .. from here [the first time]. 229.434 229.667 REED: [Yeah, 229.655 230.293 I saw that]. 230.293 230.677 You got, 230.677 231.571 %a little bit of blood, 231.571 232.186 not too much, 232.186 233.285 that's a good sign too. 233.285 233.810 ... Cause, 233.810 235.185 (H) usually when they're torn bad, 235.185 236.645 they have a lot more blood than that. 236.645 240.232 ... Is that doing anything. 240.232 241.300 DARREN: .. Nothing bad really. 241.300 242.997 REED: ... Which one hurts more, 242.997 243.505 .. ba=ck, 243.505 244.726 ... or forward. 244.726 246.039 DARREN: ... They're about the same. 246.039 246.743 REED: About the same, 246.743 249.575 DARREN: There's just this sense of constantly not being quite right. 249.575 250.091 REED: .. Mm-kay? 250.091 251.506 ... (H) Well see, 251.506 252.710 let me show you something over here. 252.710 254.236 ... Watch this one. 254.236 256.637 ... See I'm pushing ba=ck now, 256.637 257.094 DARREN: .. Yeah. 257.094 258.255 REED: .. and I'm pulling forward, 258.255 258.592 and it -- 258.592 260.527 ... You get a little bit of pull, 260.527 261.602 ... coming forward it, 261.602 263.227 .. it .. moves out a little bit, 263.227 263.645 .. and, 263.645 264.536 but when you go back, 264.536 264.986 it kinda, 264.986 266.242 ... tight. 266.242 268.503 ... It's got a good catch to it you know, 268.503 268.898 DARREN: Mhm. 268.898 269.536 REED: over here, 269.536 271.873 ... (H) we're gonna pull, 271.873 273.079 ... pull it out, 273.079 275.748 DARREN: ... Wow it doesn't have that same movement. 275.748 278.500 REED: ... It's got a little more .. forward movement, 278.500 279.314 ... and it, 279.314 279.891 .. kinda, 279.891 280.813 ... has a, 280.813 284.136 kind of a rubbery kinda end stop there, 284.136 284.972 .. so= uh, 284.972 286.537 (H) chances are (Hx), 286.537 287.846 .. you've uh hurt that, 287.846 289.755 ... uh ligament in the back too. 289.755 290.613 (H) Uh, 290.613 291.600 DARREN: .. The crossband? 291.600 292.457 REED: .. M=hm yeah. 292.457 292.719 The -- 292.719 294.372 ... Call -- 294.372 295.929 We call em the cruciate ligaments. 295.929 297.394 He calls em the ex-ban=ds, 297.394 298.257 or whatever they [are, 298.029 298.407 DARREN: [Yeah, 298.407 298.745 I don't know what] -- 298.257 298.745 REED: th- they] -- 298.745 299.585 They cross, 299.585 300.627 ... and one -- 300.627 303.816 .. (H) They cross because one's going forward and one's going backwards, 303.816 305.882 and they keep you from going forwards and backwards, 305.882 307.438 is basically [what they] do so. 306.463 306.782 DARREN: [Hunh]. 307.438 309.812 REED: [2(H)2] Pretty logical arrangement there. 307.886 308.117 DARREN: [2Mhm2]. 309.812 312.005 REED: ... (THROAT) 312.005 318.611 ... Yeah, 318.611 319.013 it is. 319.013 322.241 Your posterior's ... messed up a little bit. 322.241 323.042 (Hx)= 323.042 326.014 DARREN: .. Well, 326.014 326.861 can that get better? 326.861 328.918 REED: ... U=h (Hx)=, 328.918 330.335 ... mm=, 330.335 332.727 ...

. 332.727 335.792 ... It's not gonna get all the way right, 335.792 336.365 DARREN: ... Mm. 336.365 338.049 REED: It'll be .. a little bit of a problem. 338.049 341.009 (H) I'm not sure you didn't maybe have some of that before, 341.009 341.942 I don't really know, 341.942 342.716 ... uh, 342.716 344.723 .. let me see w- .. how much this hurts here. 344.723 346.011 DARREN: .. Mm. 346.011 347.521 REED: ... None? 347.521 348.299 DARREN: ... Mm-mm. 348.299 348.624 REED: Good. 348.624 350.930 ... (H) 350.930 352.430 DARREN: .. My main physical activity, 352.430 354.392 for the past year and a half has been aikido, 354.392 355.530 >ENV: ... ((DOOR_CLOSING)) 355.530 357.155 DARREN: which is a pretty gent[le art]. 356.679 357.039 REED: [Mm]. 357.155 358.439 ... Mm-kay. 358.439 359.206 DARREN: .. Lot of rolling, 359.206 359.565 lot of -- 359.565 361.239 ... The knees do take something from that, 361.239 362.005 -- 362.005 363.537 ... A lot of work [on em], 362.886 363.559 REED: [Oh yeah]. 363.559 364.024 Sure. 364.024 369.118 Any of those ... things gotta .. (H) put some kinda .. stress on your leg, 369.118 369.484 you know? 369.484 371.020 DARREN: .. I definitely want to get back to it though. 371.020 373.295 ... I had to lay off it for a while. 373.295 375.598 ... That ... hurts right over here. 375.598 375.897 SALLY: Okay. 375.897 376.444 REED: Mm-kay. 376.444 378.198 ... It's not too bad though. 378.198 378.952 SALLY: ... (SNIFF) 378.952 380.856 REED: .. It's just ve=ry mi=ld, 380.856 381.715 (H) uh, 381.715 382.006 that -- 382.006 383.201 That one could probably -- 383.201 385.047 ... See look at the difference on here now. 385.047 385.792 what- .. see -- 385.792 387.818 ... See how much of a jiggle you got there, 387.818 391.295 you got just ... a little laxity there. 391.295 391.608 righ[=t]? 391.411 391.817 DARREN: [M]hm. 391.817 394.046 REED: .. And this one's just .. a hai=r different. 394.046 394.627 I mean it -- 394.627 398.391 ... But it hurts. 398.391 398.902 DARREN: .. A bit. 398.902 399.332 REED: .. Uh, 399.332 399.784 a little bit. 399.784 400.969 DARREN: .. It [hurt a lot at first]. 400.121 401.515 REED: [But it's just a] hair, 401.515 402.479 (H) and uh, 402.479 402.933 .. so, 402.933 404.706 if you just let that one kinda heal, 404.706 406.206 ... you know, 406.206 407.204 which I think it's gonna do, 407.204 409.767 cause you don't even complain much of this over here. 409.767 410.251 (H) You know, 410.251 411.077 when you're doing things, 411.077 412.792 you're thinking more about this back one, 412.792 415.257 and that's the posterior ... ex-band, 415.257 416.683 if you want to put it .. like that, 416.683 418.076 or posterior cruciate we call it. 418.076 419.148 DARREN: ... (SNIFF) 419.148 420.187 REED: ... (TSK) Uh, 420.187 421.835 ... seems to be the problem, 421.835 423.394 .. (H) but it's not uh, 423.394 428.007 ... I'm not sure you didn't have a little bit of that problem before. 428.007 430.538 DARREN: ... It isn't -- 430.538 432.679 ... All these years since the wreck, 432.679 433.942 the .. the leg's never felt, 433.942 434.269 you know, 434.269 434.571 like it, 434.571 436.347 ... it's [never been t]otally norm[2al but2], 435.012 435.407 REED: [Mhm]. 435.907 436.347 [2Mhm2]. 436.347 437.218 DARREN: I just [3got used to it3]. 436.580 437.381 REED: [3Did your knee3], 437.381 439.296 did your knee feel [4like it4] would -- 438.811 439.041 DARREN: [4(GASP)4] 439.296 440.355 ... Sorr- [5that hurt5]s a bit. 439.621 439.889 REED: [5X5] 440.355 441.424 .. Where did that get you, 441.424 441.849 over here? 441.849 442.418 DARREN: Again [yeah]. 442.209 442.429 REED: [Right]. 442.429 442.963 Yeah okay. 442.963 443.480 That's okay . 443.480 447.671 .. (H) Did your knee feel like it ... had some play in it, 447.671 447.989 you know, 447.989 449.293 it wasn't real steady, 449.293 450.343 DARREN: .. I don't remember. 450.343 451.493 ... That being a -- 451.493 455.789 REED: Being a [..] complaint while you were doing your (H) martial arts stuff? 452.424 452.667 SALLY: [(SNIFF)] 455.789 457.236 REED: Still [22]. 456.165 458.928 DARREN: [2I injured the front of the2] knees when I was dancing for a while, 458.928 460.593 I was dancing with Kristy Hannah here, 460.593 461.661 .. [few years ag]o and, 460.735 461.360 REED: [Mhm]. 461.661 463.066 DARREN: .. there were some times I came down on it, 463.066 463.995 [and it did some] -- 463.078 463.937 REED: [XXXXX]? 463.937 467.188 DARREN: ... But that was .. impact injury. 467.188 467.583 REED: Yeah. 467.583 467.935 Right. 467.935 469.927 ... Let's see .. how rough that is. 469.927 470.821 Let your knee down. 470.821 472.284 .. Alright now straighten your knee out. 472.284 472.586 .. Yeah, 472.586 473.271 you've got a little -- 473.271 474.699 ... [Put your] -- 474.432 474.687 DARREN: [Yeah]. 474.699 475.209 REED: Put your hand. 475.209 475.651 You feel it? 475.651 476.198 DARREN: .. Yeah, 476.198 476.999 .. [it's X]. 476.519 477.672 REED: [But that's] pretty typical. 477.672 478.389 How about this one. 478.389 479.515 You got anything over [here, 479.271 479.936 DARREN: [ X]. 479.515 480.656 REED: no that's] pretty slick. 480.656 482.015 Just a little click over [2there2]. 481.771 482.038 DARREN: [2Yeah2]. 482.038 484.030 REED: .. (H) ... Alright (Hx)? 484.030 484.399 Uh, 484.399 486.257 hold your .. leg real strong there, 486.257 487.023 let me pull on it. 487.023 487.859 And let's see if we got, 487.859 490.400 ... a pretty good muscle there? 490.400 491.991 ... Is that hurting anything? 491.991 492.921 DARREN: Mm-[mm]. 492.621 492.921 REED: [Kay]. 492.884 494.075 .. (H) Alright, 494.075 494.424 well I- -- 494.424 495.411 I think uhm, 495.411 499.190 ... (TSK) (H) .. You know I -- 499.190 499.701 I think, 499.701 500.850 .. probably, 500.850 503.511 ... it's mostly posterior cruciate, 503.511 505.136 not so much anterior cruciate, 505.136 505.950 which is good, 505.950 507.168 (H) um, 507.168 511.315 ... the medial collateral ligament, 511.315 513.420 that .. l=igament here is just minimally hurt, 513.420 515.158 .. (H) .. uh, 515.158 519.657 I think so=me of that ... posterior cruciate was probably already r- there, 519.657 521.021 and the reason I'm saying that is, 521.021 524.746 because it really ... doesn't hurt that much when I pull on it. 524.746 525.500 (H) See the -- 525.500 527.645 .. This is the one that [pulls on that] -- 526.670 527.873 DARREN: [It feels tight though] a bit. 527.873 528.469 REED: .. Mhm. 528.469 530.083 ... When I push back, 530.083 531.406 ... I'm pushing on it. 531.406 532.353 ... That's -- 532.353 532.822 .. And, 532.822 534.505 and that's not bothering you very much. 534.505 535.875 ... But see this one, 535.875 537.060 ... has been hurt, 537.060 538.604 and when I pull on this one, 538.604 539.850 DARREN: ... That [does hurt]. 539.462 540.530 REED: [y-.. it] it hurts. 540.530 540.780 So, 540.780 541.029 I mean, 541.029 541.308 you know, 541.308 541.610 I mean, 541.610 542.316 pretty simple, 542.316 542.608 you know, 542.608 543.560 if if they've been hurt, 543.560 544.835 they gonna hurt when you stretch em. 544.835 545.185 you know, 545.185 545.556 so, 545.556 549.078 (H)= that's why I'm thinking that .. posterior is probably, 549.078 550.673 .. a lot of that's been there, 550.673 553.316 .. (H) you may have hurt it a little bit more, 553.316 554.071 .. you know, 554.071 554.674 .. and y%- -- 554.674 556.114 So you got this one a little bit, 556.114 557.300 and this one a little bit, 557.300 558.679 (H) Both of em are a little, 558.679 561.789 (H) both of em can probably heal up if you let em, 561.789 563.447 ... (H) a=nd, 563.447 565.212 DARREN: .. No need for surgery to make it [better]? 564.852 565.200 REED: [No]. 565.212 565.620 Unh-unh. 565.620 566.978 ... And uh, 566.978 568.406 ... the=, 568.406 572.097 ... the outcome will probably be=, 572.097 574.222 ... pretty close to what you had before. 574.222 574.804 In other words, 574.804 575.603 (H)= [I] -- 575.349 576.338 DARREN: [I may] have lost a b=it, 576.338 577.140 <@ but it's[2= not @>2] -- 576.674 577.140 REED: [2Yeah2]. 577.140 577.523 I mean, 577.523 577.894 you know, 577.894 578.970 five percent or, 578.970 579.647 .. something. 579.647 580.506 You know what I mean, 580.506 580.739 you know, 580.739 581.342 I don't know. 581.342 581.667 You know, 581.667 582.623 you'll just have to -- 582.623 584.483 .. have to see how it plays out. 584.483 585.981 But it it's gonna be minimal. 585.981 587.752 ... (H) And you can z- -- 587.752 589.752 ... You can overcome that a little bit, 589.752 592.227 by getting your .. muscle .. in better shape. 592.227 595.030 ... (TSK) There are two things that stabilize your knee. 595.030 596.607 (H) This is your knee brace, 596.607 599.171 the big muscle above your knee is the brace for your knee, 599.171 601.548 that's what holds it together when you're doing things. 601.548 602.816 (H) In fact, 602.816 603.025 you know, 603.025 604.362 all the sports players they -- 604.362 606.426 Their ligaments have been stretched so much and, 606.426 607.083 repaired, 607.083 607.663 and stretched, 607.663 608.279 and repaired, 608.279 608.755 that they -- 608.755 610.246 They're just not much good, 610.246 614.719 (H) and they really (H) .. have to .. compensate with their muscle power, 614.719 615.517 [is what they do. 614.719 616.042 DARREN: [They do a lot of leg lifts]? 615.517 616.587 REED: (H) S]o right. 616.587 617.396 ... Uh=, 617.396 618.282 .. you know just, 618.282 619.234 ... just, 619.234 619.660 .. uh, 619.660 620.952 you can do straight leg lifts, 620.952 624.017 or (H) what we call just those .. little short extensions, 624.017 627.500 just (H) put a .. bolster under behind your leg right here, 627.500 631.142 (H) extend the last twenty to thirty degrees with weight on your leg, 631.142 631.687 like this, 631.687 633.734 do little short extensions with weight, 633.734 634.697 DARREN: ... Mhm? 634.697 636.241 REED: (H) and keep working up on the weight, 636.241 637.113 DARREN: ... Mhm? 637.113 638.812 REED: ... you wanna b- -- 638.812 638.982 You -- 638.982 639.690 What you wanna do, 639.690 640.998 and you can just do isometrics, 640.998 643.111 you can just .. l=ock your knee real stiff, 643.111 644.161 and just tighten your muscle, 644.161 646.170 hold it tight as you can for three seconds, 646.170 647.818 and then let it rest for three seconds, 647.818 649.467 and then tight for three seconds, 649.467 650.042 and then rest. 650.042 651.876 (H) And you don't have to move it when you do that. 651.876 653.614 (H) Uh (Hx), 653.614 655.820 ... %= all kinda ways. 655.820 657.937 So just whatever the day will al- .. permit, 657.937 658.181 I mean, 658.181 659.167 if you're sitting around, 659.167 661.803 and you got some time to do some ... isometrics, 661.803 662.546 you can do that, 662.546 664.690 and then when you have other time you can do the weights. 664.690 669.623 (H)= But .. keeping this strong will compensate for your ligaments is the .. plan. 669.623 670.692 You know so uh, 670.692 671.829 ... (H) you know, 671.829 672.282 I think, 672.282 673.478 I think you'll find you, 673.478 674.790 you do pretty well. 674.790 678.239 DARREN: ... Do you think I can go back to ... aikido and stuff? 678.239 678.785 REED: .. Probably, 678.785 683.586 ... as long as it's not too .. too violent. 683.586 685.377 .. You know it's more form and, 685.377 686.201 shape and, 686.201 687.463 ... stuff or it's, 687.463 689.007 [it's not too] much contact. 687.463 688.126 DARREN: [It's about] -- 689.007 689.367 REED: (H) 689.367 689.925 DARREN: But no it's, 689.925 691.844 ideally it's about .. blending. 691.844 693.803 ... It's about blending with the attack, 693.803 695.987 it's not about meeting the force with force so, 695.987 696.660 REED: .. Okay, 696.660 697.911 DARREN: ... There's a lot of rolls. 697.911 699.095 REED: .. Okay, 699.095 699.501 mm, 699.501 699.830 well, 699.830 702.582 (H) I guess if you got good at .. at doing it, 702.582 702.953 you know, 702.953 703.534 where you didn't -- 703.534 705.790 Wasn't getting yourself in awkward positions, 705.790 706.312 %and you know, 706.312 709.052 .. getting your knee all twisted up underneath you or something, 709.052 709.319 you know, 709.319 710.938 you could probably handle it okay. 710.938 713.295 .. (H)= ... I think, 713.295 715.713 I think you'll .. you'll be able to see for yourself. 715.713 718.576 ... Because .. once you get your .. muscles strong, 718.576 720.588 you get this thing controlling your knee well, 720.588 722.282 you'll see what kind of knee control you have, 722.282 727.831 it'll be pretty obvious to you whether you (H) you have the type of control ... to do that. 727.831 730.292 DARREN: ... What do you think the lesson should be from this. 730.292 730.652 I mean, 730.652 731.046 .. % -- 731.046 732.544 This is the first time I've ever been on skis. 732.544 733.733 I never did it before my wreck, 733.733 734.158 so, 734.158 735.128 ... I guess the less -- 735.128 737.860 W- one lesson is I'll ... probably shouldn't try skiing anymore, 737.860 739.545 REED: .. (H) .. (Hx) 739.545 740.032 DARREN: %I [%] -- 739.800 740.021 REED: [%He-] -- 740.032 740.218 % -- 740.218 740.973 ... You know, 740.973 742.784 if it were me personally, 742.784 744.990 that would probably be the lesson I'd learn from it. 744.990 746.452 DARREN: ... Cause I'm lucky it wasn't worse. 746.452 746.779 [When I] -- 746.510 746.893 REED: [Right]. 746.893 748.135 DARREN: .. It was a [2pretty bad2] fall, 747.293 747.685 REED: [2Right2]. 748.135 748.286 DARREN: the -- 748.286 749.308 The incline was about, 749.308 750.746 ... I don't know what grade but, 750.746 752.301 (H) there was a .. turn in the wood- -- 752.301 753.327 It was this was in the woods. 753.327 753.869 REED: [Yeah right]. 753.327 754.416 DARREN: [And it was cro]ss country, 754.416 754.821 (H)[2=2] 754.566 754.821 REED: [2Yeah2]. 754.846 755.728 DARREN: So I didn't know what I was doing, 755.728 756.727 my girlfriend had taught me, 756.727 758.201 .. I had been skiing for two and a half hours, 758.201 758.926 I was tired, 758.926 759.866 REED: .. @@[@] 759.594 761.085 DARREN: [and , 761.085 762.768 .. (H) and I got % .. carried away. 762.768 763.916 She showed me how when you're -- 763.916 764.635 In cross country, 764.635 765.460 when you're about to fall, 765.460 766.356 you just sit down. 766.356 766.632 REED: Oh. 766.632 767.108 O[kay]. 766.853 767.770 DARREN: [But I] didn't do it right. 767.770 768.087 So, 768.087 769.161 (H) there was a turn and then, 769.161 769.695 (H) I -- 769.695 771.634 And the .. skis don't .. snap off [of course]. 771.042 771.423 REED: [Oh. 771.426 771.878 I] know. 771.878 772.262 DARREN: And so, 772.262 773.190 ... it stuck, 773.190 774.177 and I [kept tw]isting, 773.481 773.794 REED: [You] -- 774.177 775.307 DARREN: and the [2knee2] took all the torque. 774.340 774.549 REED: [2%Oh2]. 775.307 777.168 DARREN: (H)= .. And I didn't know what I'd done. 777.168 778.606 ... I screamed and, 778.606 779.234 she helped me, 779.234 780.372 and I manage to somehow, 780.372 781.022 I don't know % -- 781.022 782.473 S- somehow managed to get up and, 782.473 784.842 (H) hobble ... on the ski pole, 784.842 786.258 all the way [back to the cabin, 785.341 786.653 REED: [@ Oh my God]. 786.258 787.164 DARREN: and then we had to] call the uh, 787.164 790.287 s- the ambulance to take us sixty kilometers to (H) Oreille, 790.287 791.498 which is a ski resort. 791.498 792.551 REED: ... [Geez]. 792.040 793.201 DARREN: [We were in the m]iddle of nowhere. 793.201 794.427 (H) (Hx) (H) 794.427 794.838 REED: .. Hunh. 794.838 795.465 DARREN: .. I'm a little -- 795.465 797.276 %I I think it's been three weeks now, 797.276 797.404 I -- 797.404 798.174 I was hoping that, 798.174 798.465 you know, 798.465 799.126 you told me or, 799.126 800.404 doctor ~Smith told me that you know, 800.404 802.851 with chronic osteo it could come back from impact, 802.851 803.222 and I was -- 803.222 805.057 And I really hope this is not the time, 805.057 805.289 you know, 805.289 806.410 I've made it .. [how many] -- 805.939 807.504 REED: [Ah that's] ... unlikely. 807.504 807.921 DARREN: .. I've -- 807.921 809.700 I have not spiked any fever or, 809.700 810.785 or seen any [signs] of, 810.262 810.541 REED: [Yeah]. 810.785 811.578 .. No= it's, 811.578 813.762 ... it looks pretty g[ood]. 813.588 814.957 DARREN: [I] think I may have gotten lucky. 814.957 817.550 REED: ... Yeah, 817.550 818.707 if it's not hurting up there, 818.707 821.656 the pain would be (H) probably your first warning sign. 821.656 822.132 And you know, 822.132 823.073 DARREN: If that ever happ[ened]. 822.875 823.200 REED: [Ri]ght. 823.200 829.762 .. You could start .. feeling some (H)= .. cha=nge in the (Hx) .. the status quo, 829.762 830.403 you know? 830.403 831.123 .. [Changes], 830.479 831.146 DARREN: [I still feel] -- 831.146 831.517 REED: .. Yeah. 831.517 833.612 DARREN: It feels .. b=- .. pretty much like the other leg. 833.612 833.983 [I mean], 833.612 833.983 REED: [Good]. 833.983 834.599 .. That's great. 834.599 835.214 .. Wonderful. 835.214 835.794 DARREN: Solid. 835.794 837.095 REED: ... Great. 837.095 838.107 DARREN: ... Well, 838.107 838.954 REED: .. Love it. 838.954 841.009 ... Well I'm glad you didn't hurt yourself, 841.009 842.809 ... it's a .. cheap lesson. 842.809 843.157 Right? 843.157 843.819 DARREN: That's @right. 843.819 845.700 REED: [@=] @[2@@@2]@ 843.924 844.376 SALLY: [@=] 844.713 845.270 DARREN: [2@ .. @2] 845.700 846.861 ... I'd say so. 846.861 847.982 REED: .. (H) Yeah, 847.982 848.331 I -- 848.331 849.120 I was out -- 849.120 850.257 ... We were out, 850.257 851.864 and the kids were .. skiing, 851.864 852.291 you know, 852.291 853.650 and I was watching em go down, 853.650 854.269 and I be fun. 855.927 856.334 You know? 856.334 857.479 ... And then s-, 857.479 860.285 just barely my common sense .. won out, 860.285 861.711 and I decided not to do it, 861.711 863.982 but you know I've had .. two discs taken out of my back, 863.982 865.851 my neck f=used for a bad disc, 865.851 868.556 (H) I don't need to go .. flumpity-bump down the hill. 868.556 868.963 You know, 868.963 869.834 I don't need any of that, 869.834 870.124 so, 870.124 871.958 (H) ... you just have to, 871.958 872.573 (Hx) 872.573 874.137 have to kind of draw a few lines, 874.137 875.448 DARREN: Mm[=]. 875.173 876.413 REED: [but I] came close to, 876.413 877.652 DARREN: ... [2It's tempting2]. 876.932 877.640 REED: [2to trying it2], 877.652 878.364 it's tempting. 878.364 879.514 It's [very tempting]. 878.608 879.270 DARREN: [It was fun, 879.270 879.854 I] can tell you, 879.854 880.454 [2till I fell2] -- 879.929 880.742 REED: [2Oh Go2]=d. 880.742 880.928 It's -- 880.928 881.845 It's just great. 881.845 882.333 .. You know, 882.333 882.588 but, 882.588 885.007 (H) then I'd have to pay for it for the rest of my life, 885.007 886.366 but I didn't know whether I wanted to do [that]. 886.168 886.987 DARREN: [Not a] fair [2trade2]. 886.772 887.004 REED: [2(COUGH)2] 887.004 888.165 Not [3a fair tr3]ade. 887.329 887.910 SALLY: [33]. 888.165 888.674 DARREN: [4I wouldn't do it, 888.165 888.781 REED: [4@ Ch=-4] 888.674 889.349 DARREN: that4]'s bad odds. 889.349 890.822 REED: ... Good to see you. 890.822 892.174 ... Come see me. 892.174 893.501 You know whenever you're [in town]? 892.998 893.463 DARREN: [I will]. 893.501 894.600 REED: ... And uh, 894.600 896.794 ... (H) let me know what you get into, 896.794 898.286 I'm sure it'll be something fun. 898.286 899.165 DARREN: .. I hope so. 899.165 900.349 REED: ... I think it will. 900.349 901.151 ... See you. 901.151 901.464 DARREN: Bye-bye. 901.464 901.894 REED: Okay. 901.894 902.520 SALLY: .. Okay? 902.520 903.690 .. Just .. let us know, 903.690 905.247 ... if you need anything. 905.247 906.058 DARREN: .. Okay. 906.058 906.801 SALLY: .. Okay?