0.000 1.418 KIRSTEN: ... (TSK) U=m, 1.418 2.797 ... first of all, 2.797 4.012 maybe you guys, 4.012 5.477 .. can tell me=, 5.477 7.512 ... we talked a little bit about it, 7.512 8.814 last time you were here? 8.814 9.717 Or did we not, 9.717 12.131 talk [about] .. the history of the penguins. 9.962 10.357 AMY: []. 12.131 13.460 DON: [2I wasn't here that weekend2]. 12.131 13.460 LORI: [2(TSK) (H)= No=2]. 13.460 14.178 No[3=3]. 13.670 14.178 KIRSTEN: [3Okay3]. 14.178 16.827 LORI: We talked about the endangered spe=cie[4=s4]. 16.268 16.827 KIRSTEN: [4Okay4]. 16.827 18.824 ... We have=, 18.824 19.359 LORI: (THROAT) 19.359 21.203 KIRSTEN: .. on exhibit now=, 21.203 25.869 about . 25.869 26.656 AMY: ... Wow. 26.656 27.115 .. @@@ 27.115 28.533 KIRSTEN: That .. you [have. 27.984 29.886 >ENV: [((MIC_NOISE))=]= 28.533 29.315 KIRSTEN: .. Um], 29.886 30.363 LORI: Oops. 30.363 31.356 ... @@@ 31.356 32.672 KIRSTEN: .. Last year, 32.672 36.962 ... I s- want to say around Christmas time, 36.962 38.715 ... we went= down, 38.715 39.847 the Shed Aquarium, 39.847 42.724 as well as other (H) ... researchers and scientists, 42.724 44.601 went down to Antarctica, 44.601 45.756 to= collect, 45.756 46.374 LORI: .. Mm. 46.374 48.300 KIRSTEN: Gentu penguin eggs. 48.300 49.445 ... Okay, 49.445 50.027 so, 50.027 51.810 (H) I want to go into a little bit about, 51.810 54.639 ... the history of the Gentus he=re, 54.639 55.551 .. um, 55.551 57.510 ... for %you- -- 57.510 58.991 For .. ~Don and ~Lori, 58.991 59.469 where -- 59.469 61.901 (H) Where did our original Gentu penguins come from. 61.901 62.440 DON: ... Uh=, 62.440 63.198 Faulklands. 63.198 63.698 .. Wasn't it? 63.698 64.508 KIRSTEN: .. Where did the -- 64.508 64.805 .. But, 64.805 66.149 specifi[cally] -- 65.691 66.537 DON: [Oh spe]cifically, 66.537 67.244 in the [2islands2]? 66.778 67.768 KIRSTEN: [2Where did we2] get them, 67.768 69.560 for display here at the Shed Aquar[3ium3]. 69.248 69.560 DON: [3Oh3]. 69.560 70.768 From the um, 70.768 74.336 .. was it ... Edinburgh uh ... Zoo? 74.336 74.762 KIRSTEN: Yeah. 74.762 75.408 ... Great. 75.408 75.878 DON: ... [Yeah]. 75.708 76.442 KIRSTEN: [In S]cotland. 76.442 76.727 DON: Yeah. 76.727 77.769 ... Right. 77.769 78.703 KIRSTEN: ... Okay? 78.703 80.957 AMY: Are those the ones that ... don't like people? 80.957 82.500 ... The hands-off ones. 82.500 83.916 KIRSTEN: ...

. 83.119 83.758 AMY: [That came from] -- 83.916 85.136 ... Where's Ten from. 85.136 86.669 KIRSTEN: ... There. 86.669 87.089 AMY: Or is that -- 87.089 87.702 .. Oh okay. 87.702 87.991 KIRSTEN: Yeah. 87.991 88.569 AMY: .. Well is -- 88.569 89.967 What's the other species. 89.967 91.097 KIRSTEN: .. Rockhoppers. 91.097 91.593 AMY: .. The= -- 91.593 92.087 .. No, 92.087 93.662 KIRSTEN: ... Magella[nics]. 93.215 93.976 DON: [Mag][2ellanic2]. 93.215 94.317 LORI: [2XXX2][3X3]. 93.476 93.976 AMY: [2Yeah2]. 93.976 94.387 [3Okay3]=. 94.387 94.606 KIRSTEN: Ra- -- 94.606 95.629 Magellanics came, 95.629 96.664 from the John Ball Zoo, 96.664 97.964 in Grand Rapids [Michigan]. 97.371 97.964 DON: [Mhm]. 97.964 99.358 KIRSTEN: .. (TSK) (H) So=, 99.358 100.381 the Gentu=s, 100.381 101.315 .. which= -- 101.315 103.397 ... I take it you work mammals as well? 103.397 103.951 AMY: .. Yeah. 103.951 104.523 KIRSTEN: Okay, 104.523 106.049 .. so feel free to [add in], 105.456 107.233 AMY: [I worked] with the baby penguins, 107.233 107.697 .. when, 107.697 109.740 ... cause I've only worked like a weekend, 109.740 112.740 (H) but both days were spent ... with the penguins. 112.740 114.876 Feeding the baby ... penguins and then, 114.876 115.608 ... Ten and, 115.608 116.421 ... all of them. 116.421 116.909 KIRSTEN: Great. 116.909 117.382 .. Great. 117.382 117.841 .. So, 117.841 119.280 (H) ... feel free=, 119.280 121.149 after .. I've go through this information, 121.149 121.574 .. you know, 121.574 121.923 LORI: XX 121.923 124.165 KIRSTEN: sha=re [any= inf]orma[2tion you might ha=ve2], 122.428 122.896 LORI: [Mhm]. 123.130 124.781 AMY: [2Well I'll probably have a lot of ques2]tions for @you. 124.781 125.891 [3@@@@@3] 124.781 126.221 KIRSTEN: [3from your experien3]ces. 126.221 126.625 AMY: [4Okay4]. 126.221 126.625 KIRSTEN: [4Cause that's4], 126.625 127.169 [5% you5] know, 126.625 126.879 LORI: [5Mhm5]. 127.169 128.866 KIRSTEN: .. usually the best way that we can get, 128.866 130.814 some good d=etailed information is from, 130.814 132.105 (H) volunteers, 132.105 132.936 that actually work, 132.936 133.680 % in mammals. 133.680 133.960 So, 133.960 134.723 we love that. 134.723 135.211 Um, 135.211 136.397 ((CLAP)) (TSK) anyway, 136.397 137.333 (H) so, 137.333 138.575 .. we got .. the penguins, 138.575 139.940 our original batch of penguins, 139.940 140.325 from, 140.325 142.211 .. from this .. zoo in Scotland, 142.211 142.931 % and, 142.931 144.071 (H) um, 144.071 144.705 .. (TSK) you know, 144.705 145.175 as you know, 145.175 146.355 you ship them o=ver, 146.355 149.847 and they go into a quaranti=ne ... period. 149.847 150.506 And=, 150.506 152.953 .. I do believe it was thirty day=s. 152.953 153.989 ... Don't .. don't, 153.989 156.220 .. it's in my ... literature right there, 156.220 157.072 I'll check for certain. 157.072 157.941 (H) Uh, 157.941 160.357 that is required by the USDA, 160.357 161.202 basically there's, 161.202 164.262 ... there's a disease called %n- ... Newcastle's Disease, 164.262 164.545 that, 164.545 167.824 is .. is very ... %- contagious apparently, 167.824 169.964 ... and so there's always the potential=, 169.964 170.433 o=f, 170.433 172.388 .. when you bring a bi=rd o=ver, 172.388 173.638 .. contamidate- -- 173.638 175.324 Contaminating the poultry. 175.324 176.535 AMY: ... Mm. 176.535 177.856 KIRSTEN: .. Business. 177.856 178.552 .. Okay, 178.552 179.857 .. (TSK) and so that is, 179.857 181.610 .. %th- background .. information, 181.610 183.429 for the reason for quarantining. 183.429 184.602 (H) U=m, 184.602 186.541 .. with our %- other penguins, 186.541 188.309 (H) .. uh .. we brought them over, 188.309 189.580 .. from Scotland, 189.580 190.292 a=nd, 190.292 191.549 as it turned ou=t, 191.549 194.277 (H) .. in a quarantine period that they had, 194.277 196.629 (H) .. that ... a vi- -- 196.629 198.406 or I should say a fungus, 198.406 201.009 okay this Aspergillosis fungus, 201.009 203.733 ... had come to .. f=ruition, 203.733 205.602 (H) and we had lost, 205.602 207.860 .. you know a good portion of penguins. 207.860 209.289 (H) [.. S]o=, 208.222 208.602 AMY: []. 209.289 209.782 KIRSTEN: okay, 209.782 213.151 now it's time to .. consider replacing these penguins, 213.151 215.342 .. how do we want to go about doing that. 215.342 215.921 .. Well, 215.921 218.468 ... (TSK) (H) really didn't want to go, 218.468 219.268 .. through, 219.268 220.908 transporting the birds. 220.908 222.916 ... Didn't work last time, 222.916 225.262 .. a .. potential for bringing over diseases, 225.262 226.290 is obviously there, 226.290 226.861 so, 226.861 229.276 (H) the thought was okay let's get some e=ggs. 229.276 230.332 (H) U=m, 230.332 233.765 .. Sea World San Diego ... has Gentu=s, 233.765 234.438 a=nd, 234.438 237.445 ... apparently .. just not enough eggs to share. 237.445 239.647 .. If they had them they would gladly. 239.647 242.449 (H) Sa=me situation with the Edinburgh Zoo, 242.449 244.600 they would gladly send us bi=rds, 244.600 245.637 ... but, 245.637 248.063 .. they didn't feel that they had enough eggs, 248.063 249.036 to send over. 249.036 249.686 So, 249.686 252.328 .. (H) we really didn't want to go the bird route, 252.328 253.249 and so=, 253.249 255.672 that left us the choice of going down to Antarctica, 255.672 256.592 and collecting some peng- -- 256.592 258.560 some penguin .. eggs ourselves. 258.560 261.734 ... (H) (TSK) So they we=nt to=, 261.734 263.695 ... and I don't know if this is pronounced correctly, 263.695 265.290 Wiencke Islan[d]. 265.139 265.592 LORI: [Y]eah, 265.608 268.572 that's [2whe=2]=re ... a lot of seals are from as well. 265.888 266.283 DON: [2Hm2]. 268.572 269.176 KIRSTEN: Okay. 269.176 269.557 LORI: Mhm. 269.557 269.929 KIRSTEN: Cool. 269.929 270.451 LORI: Mhm? 270.451 270.799 KIRSTEN: Cool. 270.799 272.824 DON: ... That'll fit in with your [class=]. 272.220 272.824 LORI: [I @know]. 272.824 273.754 @@[2@@2] 273.127 273.754 KIRSTEN: [2@Yeah @@2]. 273.754 274.728 ALICE: ~Nicole is here. 274.728 275.349 KIRSTEN: .. Hi, 275.374 275.810 [~Nicole], 275.374 275.810 NICOLE: [Hi]. 275.810 276.450 ALICE: [2Hey let me2] -- 275.810 276.550 KIRSTEN: [2how you doing2]. 276.550 278.014 ALICE: [3Can I just inter3]rupt for one minute, 276.550 277.064 NICOLE: [3 okay3]. 278.014 279.089 ALICE: can I see your ID. 279.089 279.739 NICOLE: .. Mine? 279.739 281.887 ALICE: I don't [think ~Dar]ren put anything on it. 279.992 280.457 NICOLE: []. 281.887 283.367 ALICE: ... Right. 283.367 283.954 Okay. 283.954 284.831 KIRSTEN: .. Why don't you have a seat. 284.831 285.279 NICOLE: Sure. 285.279 286.759 LORI: ... (SNORT) 286.759 289.209 .. (H) P>]. 288.637 289.322 KIRSTEN: [So]=, 289.322 290.971 they went to .. Wiencke Island, 290.971 292.572 where .. a lot of seals are from, 292.572 293.383 .. [a=nd], 292.966 293.383 LORI: [Mhm]. 293.383 293.988 AMY: [2XXXX2]. 293.383 293.988 LORI: [2.. @@2] 293.383 293.988 NICOLE: [2.. X2] -- 293.419 295.145 KIRSTEN: [2.. collect2]ed e=ggs. 295.145 295.582 LORI: .. Mhm. 295.582 296.192 KIRSTEN: .. Okay, 296.192 296.726 so, 296.726 298.523 .. the process wa=s, 298.523 300.286 I'm just gonna finish up on my story, 300.286 301.843 (H) the process was, 301.843 302.474 .. was they, 302.474 302.846 um, 302.846 304.901 ... (TSK) they went to the nest, 304.901 306.490 .. okay from .. our staff, 306.490 308.473 it was Mark Ryan from marine mammals, 308.473 310.261 and Mike Mulligan from fishes, 310.261 311.339 .. and, 311.339 314.567 .. frankly I- I'm not quite sure who the entourage of other people we=re. 314.567 314.954 .. But, 314.954 316.291 (H) they went to the nest, 316.291 317.828 .. and basically, 317.828 321.080 ... waited for the penguin to stand up, 321.080 324.483 ... and checked to see= if there were two e=ggs the=re. 324.483 324.959 AMY: ... Hm. 324.959 326.749 KIRSTEN: .. Gentu .. penguins, 326.749 327.230 and this isn- -- 327.230 328.533 .. isn't true of all penguins, 328.533 329.033 often, 329.033 332.490 (H) ... when .. a ... penguin lays e=ggs, 332.490 333.462 if it lays two, 333.462 335.192 one is .. smaller than the other. 335.192 338.572 (H) ... Gentus lay two equally sized eggs. 338.572 339.970 ... (TSK) Okay, 339.970 340.916 (H) ... [u]=m, 340.556 340.766 LORI: [Hm]. 340.916 342.704 KIRSTEN: .. the reason I mentioned that was, 342.704 344.538 if one was .. smaller, 344.538 346.911 ... he would have went for the smaller egg. 346.911 347.842 .. Okay. 347.842 348.562 DON: .. Why. 348.562 352.233 KIRSTEN: ... Becau=se that would probably mean .. that, 352.233 353.440 LORI: ... (TSK) [.. Female]? 352.758 353.615 KIRSTEN: [Do you remember rea]ding, 353.615 355.540 in the exhibit for the Rockhopper penguins, 355.540 356.379 downstairs, 356.379 358.689 (H) .. they lay two dif[ferent sized] eggs. 357.498 358.127 DON: [Mhm]. 358.689 360.373 KIRSTEN: ... (TSK) Depending on the year, 360.373 362.999 and depending on the conditions .. of light, 362.999 363.921 ... um, 363.921 365.204 if it's a bad year, 365.204 367.577 or there's just not a lot of food resource=s, 367.577 368.546 (H) .. um, 368.546 371.449 ... environmental conditions are rough, 371.449 373.176 it's a stormy bad year, 373.176 373.565 LORI: [Mhm]. 373.176 375.638 KIRSTEN: [(H)] A penguin might .. lay two e=ggs, 375.638 376.980 and at that point, 376.980 378.989 ...

-- 378.989 381.069 I don't really wanna use the word @, 381.069 381.485 LORI: [Mhm]. 381.069 382.530 KIRSTEN: [(H) that's] kind of anthropomorphic, 382.530 382.921 .. but, 382.921 385.257 .. (H) ... somehow figure out, 385.257 388.275 ... ]. 387.480 388.275 LORI: [Determine]? 388.275 388.689 DON: .. [2Ah2]. 388.400 388.964 LORI: [2M2][3hm3]. 388.400 389.796 KIRSTEN: [2I'm2] [3going3] to determine, 389.796 390.639 through whatever=, 390.639 390.832 AMY: Mm. 390.832 392.857 KIRSTEN: .. h[owever it] does determine to do so, 391.114 391.464 NICOLE: [Hm]. 392.857 394.459 KIRSTEN: (H) will kick out an e=gg. 394.459 395.435 NICOLE: ... (THROAT) 395.435 396.690 KIRSTEN: ... Otherwise, 396.690 398.927 .. it will .. brood the two eggs, 398.927 400.164 .. and hatch em out. 400.164 402.416 ... (TSK) It's not uncommon that, 402.416 403.136 at this point, 403.136 405.429 ... they'll kick out the smaller chick. 405.429 405.969 DON: .. Right. 405.969 411.953 KIRSTEN: .. If at that point conditions .. don't seem to be= (H) sufficient to support raising two of em, 411.953 413.435 ... it's kind of like, 413.435 413.783 hey, 413.783 414.712 why bother. 414.712 415.165 LORI: .. Mhm. 415.165 416.086 KIRSTEN: And kick out, 416.086 416.695 .. one of -- 416.695 418.007 .. One of the chicks. 418.007 419.833 .. If it's a ], 421.673 423.461 DON: [It's called penguin euthana]sia. 423.461 424.703 LORI: .. @(Hx)[2= @@2][3=@3] 423.917 424.378 KIRSTEN: [2Okay2], 424.328 424.697 DON: [3@@3] 424.697 425.090 KIRSTEN: @(Hx) 425.090 427.872 DON: [3] 425.090 426.397 KIRSTEN: [.. (H) They'll .. they'll, 426.397 427.872 .. they'll try to] [2raise2] [3both3]. 427.062 427.372 LORI: @(H) 427.872 428.394 KIRSTEN: So, 428.394 428.726 LORI: .. @ 428.726 430.283 KIRSTEN: ... I didn't catch that. 430.283 430.471 What wa- -- 430.471 432.116 DON: It's called penguin euthanas[ia]. 431.912 432.266 KIRSTEN: [Sh=] 432.266 433.632 LORI: @@[2@@2]@@ 432.786 433.175 KIRSTEN: [2Ch=2] 433.632 434.850 (TSK) .. [3(H) 3]. 434.157 434.850 LORI: [3@=@3] 434.850 436.012 KIRSTEN: ... (H) Um, 436.012 436.578 .. so, 436.578 437.031 .. anyway. 437.031 439.675 .. (TSK) ... Apparently what %th- .. what they -- 439.675 441.146 .. Now at this point they wanted to see, 441.146 441.531 okay, 441.531 441.819 now, 441.819 442.982 is there actually a fertile -- 442.982 445.785 ... Is there a fertile ... chick, 445.785 447.411 or develop[ing chick] inside. 446.250 446.572 LORI: [Mhm]. 447.411 447.887 KIRSTEN: And, 447.887 450.273 (H) .. apparently it was very very muddy, 450.273 452.062 it was= .. abnormally warm, 452.062 454.316 and it was just a big mudbath out there, 454.316 454.904 and they couldn't -- 454.904 457.723 .. (H) .. They couldn't .. clean off the mud enough, 457.723 459.935 to .. be able to see inside. 459.935 461.035 To see .. if, 461.035 462.284 .. if it was viable. 462.284 462.616 So, 462.616 464.800 .. (H) they took an egg from nests, 464.800 465.892 that had two eggs. 465.892 468.341 (H) And I think this .. this report says, 468.341 470.164 within thirty-one hours, 470.164 472.592 (H) .. the eggs were back here in Chicago. 472.592 473.475 LORI: ... (TSK) Wow. 473.475 474.694 KIRSTEN: .. (TSK) That's pret[ty nea]t. 474.066 474.364 NICOLE: [Oh]. 474.694 476.221 KIRSTEN: ... And the=n, 476.221 480.474 the=y .. took them to an , 480.474 482.178 ... in Addison. 482.178 483.563 Is anybody from Addison? 483.563 486.673 ... I don't know where Addison is. 486.673 487.929 NICOLE: [@ <@@>]. 486.673 487.929 X: [It's a we=st suburb]. 487.929 488.773 KIRSTEN: ... West? 488.773 489.679 AMY: ... . 489.679 491.836 KIRSTEN: (H) So they were out in the west suburbs. 491.836 493.101 And incu[bated there]. 492.261 493.101 X: [@@@] 493.101 493.575 AMY: .. @(Hx) 493.575 494.400 LORI: (TSK) .. [Mm=]. 494.036 494.486 AMY: [(SNIFF)] 494.036 495.086 KIRSTEN: [.. A=]nd=, 495.086 496.291 .. apparently now they're about, 496.291 499.138 s=ix to seven weeks old? 499.138 499.795 NICOLE: .. [Wow]. 499.263 500.386 AMY: [When I was here] two weeks ago, 500.386 501.596 they were sixty days. 501.596 504.317 KIRSTEN: T- ... s- two weeks ago it was six[ty days]? 503.510 503.925 AMY: [I think, 503.925 505.057 maybe it was] four weeks ago. 505.057 507.038 KIRSTEN: ... Okay. 507.038 507.572 AMY: .. [Yea=h]. 507.212 507.572 KIRSTEN: [I think], 507.572 509.272 I think they're around six weeks old. 509.272 509.904 LORI: .. [Mm]. 509.372 510.029 KIRSTEN: [2Okay2]? 510.029 512.055 ... But when you see= .. them, 512.055 515.260 you'll see that they're ... just about as big as number ten. 515.260 516.815 ... They're big. 516.815 517.661 LORI: .. N-[kay]. 517.173 517.661 AMY: [Yeah]. 517.661 518.102 .. When I -- 518.102 518.377 Yeah, 518.377 519.388 when I was here they had, 519.388 522.035 ... they were .. losing all of their .. hair. 522.035 523.236 ... And they looked, 523.236 525.566 ... the two oldest ones looked like Ten. 525.566 526.159 KIRSTEN: .. Right. 526.159 526.644 .. Right. 526.644 527.533 (H) So basically, 527.533 528.961 what the process has been is, 528.961 530.740 .. (H) we brought them here as chicks, 530.740 532.810 but they still had their downy feathers. 532.810 533.618 .. Okay, 533.618 534.121 so, 534.121 536.257 (H) as they lost their downy feathers, 536.257 539.263 they became eligible to go out .. onto exhibit. 539.263 541.490 (H) And so what they did last time you guys were here, 541.490 543.411 there was .. maybe ... te=n. 543.411 544.224 .. That were, 544.224 544.731 .. you know, 544.731 545.613 I say eligible, 545.613 546.658 to [be out on ex]hibit, 545.765 546.358 NICOLE: [@@@@] 546.658 547.477 KIRSTEN: and what they would do is, 547.477 548.875 they would carry them i=n, 548.875 552.028 (H) ... let them hang out for about a half an hour, 552.028 554.272 ... get acclimated to what was going on, 554.272 555.672 and then take them o=ff. 555.672 557.052 .. (H) And do this. 557.052 558.508 (H) Now they're out. 558.508 560.084 ... Now they're, 560.084 561.506 they are out on exhibit. 561.506 562.147 DON: (TSK) All of them. 562.147 564.023 KIRSTEN: ... % Almost all of em. 564.023 566.600 ... Two days ago there was twenty-five out on exhibit. 566.600 568.476 [So we have] [2thir2]ty chicks total. 566.600 567.048 DON: [Right]. 567.232 567.507 LORI: [2Hm2]. 568.476 569.192 KIRSTEN: (H) So, 569.192 571.189 twenty-five [plu=s are out on] exhibit. 569.891 570.624 DON: [(TSK) Okay]. 571.189 572.607 KIRSTEN: ... (TSK) (H) U=m, 572.607 574.453 (H) ... thing of it is, 574.453 577.383 is let's think a little bit about ... penguin natural history. 577.383 577.940 Okay? 577.940 578.704 ... How, 578.704 581.285 .. how long do penguins .. spe=nd on land. 581.285 585.483 DON: ... Three months I think. 585.483 587.110 KIRSTEN: ... What's your guess. 587.110 588.840 LORI: (H) ... [Uh=]. 587.735 588.250 DON: [Three or is it, 588.250 589.274 three to six] months? 589.274 590.807 KIRSTEN: ... Okay. 590.807 592.847 LORI: .. (TSK) (H) ... U=m, 592.847 594.156 ... four? 594.156 594.798 Five? 594.798 595.782 KIRSTEN: ... Six. 595.782 596.202 DON: Six? 596.202 596.657 KIRSTEN: [Okay]? 596.202 597.050 NICOLE: [Six] months? 597.050 597.431 KIRSTEN: .. So, 597.431 598.261 it's it's ba[sically, 597.917 598.431 NICOLE: [Wow]. 598.261 599.778 KIRSTEN: it's an] even even spli[2t, 599.728 599.985 DON: [2(THROAT)2] 599.816 600.508 KIRSTEN: be2]twee=n, 600.508 602.587 life out at sea and life on land. 602.587 605.594 .. (H) So the sequence of events .. i=s, 605.594 607.433 .. they come on .. to shore, 607.433 608.762 ... springtime, 608.762 611.026 .. (H) they hook up with their mate, 611.026 612.525 .. they build a nest, 612.525 613.594 .. they mate, 613.594 615.082 .. they lay their eggs, 615.082 616.419 (H) they brood their eggs, 616.419 617.619 they hatch their chicks, 617.619 618.808 they brood their chicks, 618.808 620.209 they feed their chicks, 620.209 622.088 (H) ... they molt, 622.088 624.416 ... and then they're out to sea. 624.416 626.813 ... So a=ll of that has to happen, 626.813 628.825 .. within that six-month perio=d, 628.825 630.640 (H) that's a pretty busy bi=rd, 630.640 631.836 LORI: .. [@@@@@@] 630.815 634.259 NICOLE: [@@@@@@][2@@@2][3@@@@3][4@@@@@4] 630.815 632.161 KIRSTEN: [so][2=], 632.161 634.259 DON: [3(H) 4] 633.011 634.759 KIRSTEN: [4the penguins need to4] grow=, 634.759 635.452 the chicks, 635.452 636.651 in order to be .. ready, 636.651 637.424 to go out there, 637.424 639.054 for six months out at sea=, 639.054 643.170 really need to be ... [very well suited for that]. 641.394 643.170 DON: [(THROAT)=] 643.170 644.503 KIRSTEN: So they nee- need to be bi=g, 644.503 645.753 they need to be hefty, 645.753 648.078 (H) they need to have their adult feathers, 648.078 649.000 ... so[=], 648.674 649.125 AMY: [Mm]=. 649.100 651.714 KIRSTEN: ... between the time that they actually hatch ou=t, 651.714 655.123 ... and the time that they're ready to go out to sea, 655.123 657.011 is just a couple of months. 657.011 659.333 NICOLE: .. How long does it take for them .. to hatch. 659.333 661.764 KIRSTEN: ... (TSK) [(H) Well the incubation peri]od, 659.938 660.286 NICOLE: [Or um, 660.286 661.588 .. ]. 661.764 662.638 KIRSTEN: is anywhere, 662.638 663.789 depends on the species, 663.789 665.850 it's .. it's one month to two months. 665.850 666.577 NICOLE: Oh okay. 666.577 668.131 KIRSTEN: ... (TSK) Okay, 668.131 668.875 s=o, 668.875 669.653 therefore, 669.653 671.343 ... you know basically, 671.343 674.164 ... between ... building a nest, 674.164 674.630 and mating, 674.630 676.315 and all of that other stuff=, 676.315 676.722 you know they, 676.722 679.619 I would say that they have= three months, 679.619 682.682 ... to- .. to grow and get ready. 682.682 684.110 ... Okay. 684.110 685.498 .. So they're b=ig. 685.498 686.904 .. Now the funny thing is, 686.904 687.480 is tha=t, 687.480 689.037 .. according to Mark Ryan, 689.037 690.509 ... (H) , 690.509 691.074 h=mm. 691.074 691.809 NICOLE: @(Hx) [@@@] 691.205 692.343 KIRSTEN: [Or just int]eresting. 692.343 693.275 @I @guess @(H), 693.275 694.445 Go watch them, 694.445 695.025 [um], 694.445 695.025 LORI: [Mhm]. 695.025 696.570 KIRSTEN: if you watch the trainers, 696.570 698.191 they .. walk into the exhibit, 698.191 701.720 and they (H) start throwing penguins into the water? 701.720 703.578 ... And pushing them in, 703.578 706.128 and they're .. (H) all over the place, 706.128 706.653 [um], 706.128 706.653 NICOLE: [@@@] 706.653 707.851 KIRSTEN: .. they try to get out, 707.851 708.919 sometimes they make it, 708.919 710.671 sometimes they fall back in, 710.671 714.742 .. (H) Gentus usually dive in ... head first, 714.742 716.930 ... these guys are falling [in, 716.666 717.691 AMY: [@(Hx) .. (H)] 716.905 717.766 KIRSTEN: jumping in], 717.766 718.573 diving in, 718.573 720.873 so their .. (H) behaviors if you will are, 720.873 722.210 are really interesting. 722.210 723.205 ... [Okay]? 722.685 723.205 LORI: [Mhm]. 723.205 723.800 KIRSTEN: It's just, 723.800 725.751 it's just a lot of fun to watch them. 725.751 726.617 .. (H) Um, 726.617 730.003 .. they're doing something different with these chicks than we've done with the other penguins, 730.003 731.971 is that they're trying to feed them crill. 731.971 733.800 ... (TSK) (H) Um, 733.800 738.182 .. yesterday I think is th- is th- is when they tried it for the first ti=me, 738.182 739.729 (H) and that cri=ll, 739.729 740.981 is about as big as, 740.981 741.667 LORI: .. [Mhm]. 741.106 742.354 KIRSTEN: [you know from] .. my joint, 742.354 743.929 up to the top of my finger here, 743.929 747.373 (H) so .. it's @very difficult for a person to hold a crill, 747.373 748.353 NICOLE: .. @@@@@ 748.353 750.288 KIRSTEN: .. and drop it into a penguin's mouth. 750.288 750.766 So, 750.766 752.665 .. very good f- s- food source for them, 752.665 754.430 that's what they would feed on in the wild, 754.430 756.134 .. in addition to other things, 756.134 757.210 (H)= so, 757.210 758.580 what they're trying to do is, 758.580 761.200 .. they're throwing the crill into the water, 761.200 763.579 and seeing if the chicks'll go for it. 763.579 765.335 .. (H) So they tried it yesterday, 765.335 767.243 and they had some mixed success, 767.243 768.747 you know some animals were interested, 768.747 769.638 others were=n't. 769.638 770.774 (H) So, 770.774 773.704 .. y- a- apparently they- they'll keep doing this. 773.704 774.483 .. So=. 774.483 775.055 .. Did -- 775.055 776.851 Were they weren't doing that when [you were in] there. 776.190 776.616 AMY: [No]. 776.851 777.465 [2No no no2]. 776.851 777.465 KIRSTEN: [2.. Okay2]. 777.465 779.347 ... (TSK) (H) When they were chicks, 779.347 779.902 cause what is it -- 779.902 783.754 How does a mother (H) fee=d ... a penguin chick. 783.754 785.635 LORI: ... Doesn't she bring food to it? 785.635 786.950 AMY: .. She regurgitates it. 786.950 788.234 KIRSTEN: She regurgi[tates it. 787.851 788.327 LORI: [Oh=]. 788.234 789.500 KIRSTEN: I] sh- shouldn't say she=, 789.500 791.108 cause mother and father share[2=, 790.873 791.608 LORI: [2Bo=th]. 790.873 791.600 NICOLE: [2Oh=2]. 791.183 792.167 KIRSTEN: share the2] duties, 792.167 792.649 okay? 792.649 793.354 (H) But yeah, 793.354 793.818 they go out, 793.818 794.643 they fee=d, 794.643 796.960 ... and they regurgitate up the foo=d, 796.960 798.930 and that's how they feed the chicks[=]. 798.605 798.957 NICOLE: [Mm]. 798.957 800.905 LORI: (TSK) (H) Actually other birds do that as well[=. 800.840 801.227 KIRSTEN: [A lot]. 800.840 801.227 AMY: [Mhm]. 800.943 801.423 LORI: Don't] they, 801.448 802.655 a lot [2of bird2]s [3do3]. 801.692 802.108 AMY: [2Yeah2]. 802.251 802.655 KIRSTEN: [3Yeah3]. 802.830 804.169 A lot of [4birds do4]. 803.413 804.169 LORI: [4That's right4]. 804.169 805.009 ... (THROAT) 805.009 806.290 KIRSTEN: They never really did any, 806.290 806.793 (Hx) well, 806.793 808.745 we h- didn't regurgitate for the=m, 808.745 809.590 (H) @but, 809.590 809.996 LORI: @@@ 809.996 813.526 KIRSTEN: they started them off with um .. stri=ps of fi=sh, 813.526 820.423 and they [actually] .. dipped it in a vitamin a=nd u=m ... (TSK) pureed crill batter. 813.751 814.131 LORI: [Mm]. 820.423 821.966 NICOLE: ... @@[2@@@2] 821.178 821.977 KIRSTEN: [2Dipped it in2], 821.977 824.280 and then gave it .. to the penguin chicks. 824.280 826.108 So they've been on solid foo=d, 826.108 827.497 LORI: ... [Hm=]. 826.672 828.288 KIRSTEN: [.. for quite some] ti=me, 828.288 832.222 ... a=nd now it's just interesting to see if they'll just go for the crill itself. 832.222 832.768 AMY: Are they, 832.768 833.091 I mean, 833.091 834.397 are they being hesitant about it? 834.397 835.857 KIRSTEN: .. (TSK) (H) I didn't see it. 835.857 837.184 .. [Yesterday] was the first time, 835.967 836.399 AMY: [Because], 837.184 840.182 KIRSTEN: they did it at el=even thirty and f=our o'clock. 840.182 841.101 ... [Where the] -- 840.639 841.739 AMY: [That's really] interesting, 841.739 842.008 because, 842.008 842.290 I mean, 842.290 843.892 going .. from being hand-fe=d. 843.892 846.027 KIRSTEN: ... (TSK) ... Right. 846.027 847.199 ... Right. 847.199 848.279 .. So I don't know. 848.279 849.138 So I would say, 849.138 850.319 if you've got the ti=me, 850.319 853.199 .. (H) or if you wanna make the time to be down there at four thirty, 853.199 855.693 (H) ... hopefully they'll do it again today, 855.693 857.096 and it'll be interesting to see, 857.096 857.768 so. 857.768 859.799 ... I'll find out from Mark. 859.799 860.334 Um, 860.334 862.211 you know what the response with that is. 862.211 863.729 LORI: So four thirty's chick feeding? 863.729 865.154 KIRSTEN: ... Yes=. 865.154 868.282 DON: ... Are there any particular trainers working with the penguins, 868.282 868.844 uh=, 868.844 869.994 ... hm=. 869.994 872.646 ... Are all the trainers allowed to work with the pen[guins]? 872.226 872.844 KIRSTEN: [Yeah]=. 872.844 874.122 Well basically he=re, 874.122 874.652 um, 874.652 877.527 (H) all of the .. trainers work with all of the animals. 877.527 878.257 .. So, 878.257 879.476 they rotate them arou=nd, 879.476 880.172 basically, 880.172 881.826 ...

. 881.826 885.732 ... So that the animals don't .. get ... attached to one person. 885.732 887.773 Because if that person decides to lea=ve, 887.773 888.718 ... then, 888.718 890.401 that could be detrimental to the animals. 890.401 890.599 But, 890.599 891.285 we do have a lead, 891.285 893.842 .. [a lead] .. (H) person for each animal. 891.422 891.866 LORI: [@@] 893.966 896.083 KIRSTEN: Mark Ryan is lead [2pengu2]ins. 895.130 895.623 DON: [2Mhm2]. 896.083 898.141 KIRSTEN: ... Meg is lead o=tter. 898.141 901.016 .. Lisa Takaki was .. lead [la=g]. 900.374 900.838 DON: [X]. 901.016 901.430 LORI: Mhm. 901.430 902.944 KIRSTEN: Greg is lead seal. 902.944 903.349 So, 903.349 906.223 .. (H) .. Mark is basically calling the shots, 906.223 908.633 ... for .. how the program's gonna be structured. 908.633 909.378 So he's, 909.378 911.329 (H) he's the penguin trivia guy. 911.329 913.756 ... (TSK) (H) So, 913.756 915.135 .. (H) it's a neat story, 915.135 915.852 LORI: .. [Mhm=]? 915.260 917.772 KIRSTEN: [it's it's a] very neat background story, 917.772 918.737 .. (H) a=nd, 918.737 919.584 I think, 919.584 920.032 you know, 920.032 921.628 .. for s- for some of us, 921.628 925.563 underwater viewing gallery has not been (H) your favorite place, 925.563 926.150 (H) so, 926.150 926.905 this could, 926.905 930.775 .. % % this .. [.. could bring] new light to the underwater viewing gallery, 928.310 928.915 LORI: [Could be a gift]. 930.800 931.315 KIRSTEN: and actually, 931.315 933.418 (H) .. just give a new focus on the penguins. 933.418 935.728 We haven't done as much interpretation with the penguins, 935.728 937.030 as we do with the other animals, 937.030 937.371 so, 937.371 941.124 (H) you actually have some kinda .. neat things to interpret here. 941.124 942.629 As far as what's going on. 942.629 945.303 ... (TSK) (H) Some other things that you might see, 945.303 947.558 (H) the penguins .. segregate themselves. 947.558 949.451 The species don't intermix. 949.451 950.298 ... Okay, 950.298 951.535 if you've [noticed that be]fore, 950.542 951.116 NICOLE: [Mm=]. 951.535 954.461 KIRSTEN: the Rockhoppers pretty much station themselves in the center, 954.461 957.580 .. (H) the Magellanics used [to be]= .. off to the right, 955.996 956.347 DON: [(COUGH)] 957.555 958.685 KIRSTEN: ... and then, 958.685 959.654 well number ten, 959.654 961.274 .. could do whatever she @wan[ted]. 960.913 961.274 AMY: [@(Hx)] 961.274 962.132 DON: [2.. (TSK) The Gentu2]. 961.274 962.132 KIRSTEN: [2(H) But2], 962.132 963.347 NICOLE: What's number ten. 963.347 963.847 <@ I [k- -- 963.522 964.622 KIRSTEN: [(TSK) (H) I'm sorry], 963.847 964.775 NICOLE: I I k-] [2s- -- 964.622 964.950 AMY: [2@(Hx)2] 964.775 966.050 NICOLE: I2] [3k- I keep going3], 964.950 966.050 KIRSTEN: [3Number te=n3], 966.050 967.250 NICOLE: [4what's number ten here @>4]. 966.050 967.250 AMY: [4@(Hx)= (H)4] 967.250 967.700 NICOLE: [5@@5] 967.250 967.700 KIRSTEN: [5Kay5], 967.700 969.670 .. the .. the penguins are numbered. 969.670 970.963 NICOLE: .. [Oh= okay. 970.013 971.524 KIRSTEN: [Each penguin is number]ed. 970.963 971.374 NICOLE: @(Hx)] 971.524 972.466 KIRSTEN: And o=n, 972.466 974.990 ... [on] [2...2] .. the arm, 972.978 973.416 LORI: []. 973.483 973.882 DON: [2@(Hx) (H)2] 974.990 975.654 KIRSTEN: .. okay, 975.654 976.729 the .. the joint here, 976.729 976.969 well, 976.969 977.989 .. what do you call this. 977.989 978.482 DON: The wing. 978.482 979.245 X: ...

. 979.245 979.775 DON: ... Hm. 979.775 981.075 KIRSTEN: ... At the humerus? 981.075 981.401 DON: Hu- -- 981.401 982.889 KIRSTEN: .. <@ We would have @> a ta[=g, 982.653 983.086 LORI: [Mhm]. 982.889 984.261 KIRSTEN: (H)] and they're color-coded, 984.261 984.599 so, 984.599 985.688 if you were like to see, 985.688 988.187 ... (TSK) ... well how does it work. 988.187 989.022 Give me a [number]. 988.544 989.642 AMY: [Well they wear] colors. 989.642 991.298 ... When I was there. 991.298 992.147 KIRSTEN: .. Okay. 992.147 993.783 ... (H) They're [colors but (H)], 992.911 993.783 AMY: [Just seven] -- 993.783 995.349 ... Did they move em to number[2s2]? 995.150 995.349 KIRSTEN: [2(TSK)2] 995.349 996.213 AMY: They were going to. 996.213 998.005 KIRSTEN: ... Wh=at it i=s is that, 998.005 999.208 ... green, 999.208 1000.320 let's say for example, 1000.320 1001.586 green stands for one, 1001.586 1002.909 black stands for two. 1002.909 1004.717 ... That's number twel[=ve]. 1004.251 1005.168 AMY: [Is that how] it works? 1005.168 1005.667 KIRSTEN: Yeah. 1005.667 1006.365 AMY: [.. Okay]. 1005.667 1006.726 KIRSTEN: [(H) S]o=, 1006.726 1008.201 ... (TSK) they number them, 1008.201 1008.627 so tha=t, 1008.627 1009.673 when they're feeding them, 1009.673 1011.146 and they're taking down the records of, 1011.146 1014.201 okay number twelve ate five Columbia River smelts, 1014.201 1015.232 and two, 1015.232 1016.916 NICOLE: (H)= .. (THROAT) 1016.916 1017.693 KIRSTEN: Capelands. 1017.693 1018.215 LORI: Mhm. 1018.215 1020.963 KIRSTEN: .. They can keep a record of what the animal eats. 1020.963 1021.568 ... Okay, 1021.568 1022.864 so they don't have names, 1022.864 1023.191 but, 1023.191 1024.114 .. (H) she, 1024.114 1024.765 .. because sh- -- 1024.765 1028.155 Because she's ... (H) the lo=ne feisty pengui=n, 1028.155 1030.136 number ten has become kind of famous, 1030.136 1031.767 in the penguin world downstairs. 1031.767 1032.017 So, 1032.017 1033.212 it [it] it's a female, 1032.212 1032.405 NICOLE: [@] 1033.405 1035.481 KIRSTEN: th- the only female Gentu penguin, 1035.481 1038.782 (H) ... that we ha=d prior to the chicks coming in. 1038.782 1039.375 NICOLE: %O=kay. 1039.375 1040.438 KIRSTEN: .. (TSK) Okay, 1040.438 1041.062 so=, 1041.062 1041.939 (H) um, 1041.939 1043.701 now you'll see that they're segregated, 1043.701 1047.106 ... actually the Gentus have kind of broken up into clumps, 1047.106 1048.168 (H) and there's -- 1048.168 1049.257 From what I saw yesterday, 1049.257 1050.632 three different clu=mps, 1050.632 1051.881 .. (H) u=m, 1051.881 1052.661 (TSK) let's see -- 1052.661 1053.098 Let's -- 1053.098 1053.362 .. %G- -- 1053.362 1055.725 .. Let's interpret some of the behaviors we might see. 1055.725 1055.952 Okay, 1055.952 1056.399 what is, 1056.399 1059.672 ... what is a penguin standing out with its arms like this. 1059.672 1060.852 I shouldn't say arms. 1060.852 1061.244 [Its] -- 1060.852 1061.526 NICOLE: [@@][2@2][3@3] 1061.221 1061.876 LORI: [2Wing2][3s3]. 1061.221 1061.626 AMY: [2(Hx)2] 1061.626 1062.583 DON: [3Wi3][4=ngs4]. 1061.651 1062.868 KIRSTEN: [3@@ Its3][4= wing4][5s5]. 1061.951 1062.618 NICOLE: [4Wings4]. 1062.618 1062.868 AMY: [5@(H)5] 1062.868 1063.101 KIRSTEN: (H) 1063.101 1063.734 LORI: (H)[=] 1063.176 1063.734 KIRSTEN: [Right]. 1063.734 1064.856 LORI: U=[2m=2], 1064.043 1064.856 DON: [2Perspiring2]? 1064.856 1066.928 LORI: ... actually cooling o[3=ff, 1066.672 1067.166 DON: [3Cooling off3]. 1066.928 1067.441 LORI: isn't3] [4it4]? 1067.155 1067.555 KIRSTEN: [4<% Yeah4]= %>. 1067.555 1068.386 ... Yeah[5=. 1068.211 1068.691 LORI: [5Mhm5]. 1068.386 1069.648 KIRSTEN: (H)5] So right he=re, 1069.648 1070.548 is where you don't, 1070.548 1073.936 .. where the penguins don't have a a dense covering of feathers. 1073.936 1075.611 ... (H) So if they wanna cool off, 1075.611 1076.958 they tend to do this. 1076.958 1080.732 .. (H) Okay if I was to s=ee a pengui=n= doing this=, 1080.732 1082.621 ... lifting one leg u=p, 1082.621 1083.602 LORI: (TSK) It's resting. 1083.602 1084.368 .. Isn't it? 1084.368 1087.282 KIRSTEN: ... What else could it be. 1087.282 1089.459 AMY: ... Sleeping? 1089.459 1089.784 ..

? 1089.784 1091.081 NICOLE: ... Balance? 1091.081 1091.650 @I @guess, 1091.650 1092.405 KIRSTEN: [It's balancing, 1091.650 1092.555 AMY: [@(Hx)= @=] 1092.405 1093.555 KIRSTEN: it's] [2doing thinking tricks2]. 1092.555 1093.780 NICOLE: [2@@@2][3@3] 1092.555 1093.555 DON: [2@ @@@ @2] 1093.555 1094.505 AMY: [3@3][4@@@@4] 1093.555 1094.447 KIRSTEN: [3(H)3][4U=m4], 1094.447 1094.778 NICOLE: @(H) 1094.778 1095.185 KIRSTEN: actually, 1095.185 1096.896 it would be conserving heat. 1096.896 1097.692 .. (H) O[kay]? 1097.332 1098.029 NICOLE: [Oh=][2=2]. 1097.703 1098.226 DON: [2Hm2]. 1097.692 1098.331 KIRSTEN: [2So2]=, 1098.331 1099.637 .. the wi=ngs, 1099.637 1102.144 ... and the f=- le=gs, 1102.144 1102.884 feet, 1102.884 1103.474 LORI: .. Mhm. 1103.474 1106.371 KIRSTEN: ... there's no .. dense feather coverage on the, 1106.371 1107.137 .. on the legs, 1107.137 1109.192 so they might be conserving heat. 1109.192 1110.984 ... (TSK) (H)= Okay, 1110.984 1111.900 u=m, 1111.900 1112.885 (TSK) i=f, 1112.885 1115.231 .. (H)= I= saw a penguin, 1115.231 1115.691 .. (SNEEZE) 1115.691 1116.691 .. sneezing. 1116.691 1117.388 NICOLE: .. @@@ 1117.388 1119.109 KIRSTEN: What might be happening there. 1119.109 1120.721 NICOLE: ... Allergic? 1120.721 1121.713 @To [@food]? 1121.033 1121.713 KIRSTEN: [@@@] 1121.033 1121.713 AMY: [@Sick]. 1121.713 1124.422 DON: [2<@ I've never heard a2] [3.. pen3][4guin4] [5sneezing but @>5], 1121.713 1122.874 AMY: [2@@ (H) @2] 1122.874 1123.222 NICOLE: [3@(H)3] 1123.222 1123.447 AMY: [4@4] 1123.447 1124.422 NICOLE: [5(H) Cold5], 1124.422 1124.699 DON: @(Hx) 1124.699 1125.194 KIRSTEN: Okay. 1125.194 1125.502 DON: @(Hx) 1125.502 1127.328 LORI: [It actually kind of s]neezes, 1125.502 1125.820 NICOLE: [I know, 1125.820 1126.549 could you hear it]? 1127.328 1127.975 (H)= 1127.975 1128.800 AMY: ... @(Hx) 1128.800 1130.919 NICOLE: ... How can you tell from it, 1130.919 1132.276 .. like shaking his [head, 1131.984 1132.363 KIRSTEN: [You'll, 1132.276 1133.194 NICOLE: or sneezing]. 1132.363 1132.955 KIRSTEN: you'll see him. 1132.955 1133.481 You'll s]ee him, 1133.481 1135.367 just [2like .. a2] person sneezing, 1133.669 1133.979 NICOLE: [2Oh, 1133.979 1134.435 okay2]. 1135.367 1136.583 KIRSTEN: [3you can3] .. tell. 1135.457 1135.806 DON: [3Mhm3]. 1136.583 1138.269 KIRSTEN: .. When they jerk their h=ead like that. 1138.269 1139.362 (H) How was, 1139.362 1141.711 how does a penguin .. get its fresh water. 1141.711 1143.987 ... (TSK) How does a penguin drink. 1143.987 1145.416 NICOLE: ... O=h. 1145.416 1148.335 LORI: ... I haven't studied penguins in a while? 1148.335 1149.010 ~Do=n, 1149.010 1150.481 ... do you know? 1150.481 1151.049 DON: (TSK) No. 1151.049 1151.778 LORI: .. [Hm-mm]. 1151.349 1151.778 DON: [From] -- 1151.778 1152.518 I= thought a way w- -- 1152.518 1153.846 ... Drank from pools. 1153.846 1154.269 Just -- 1154.269 1156.247 KIRSTEN: .. They'll drink salt wat[er], 1155.872 1156.568 DON: [Salt] water. 1156.568 1157.800 KIRSTEN: all- % also, 1157.800 1158.136 you know, 1158.136 1158.999 like the dolphins, 1158.999 1161.654 they actually (H) metabolize the water, 1161.654 1165.576 ... that's .. stored in .. in the fat of the fish that they eat. 1165.576 1167.199 And [that's how they] get their water source. 1165.695 1166.181 LORI: [Mhm]. 1167.199 1167.821 KIRSTEN: But basically, 1167.821 1168.939 you've gotta separate, 1168.939 1171.551 (H) the fresh water from the salt water, 1171.551 1174.214 ... actually just have to separate out that salt. 1174.214 1176.040 (H) .. So they have a [special s=][2=-2] -- 1175.237 1176.165 NICOLE: [They have to] [2do tha2][3=t? 1175.665 1177.044 LORI: [2(H)2][3So that's how they're3] do- -- 1176.255 1176.836 NICOLE: Oh3]. 1177.044 1178.370 LORI: That's what they're doing when they sneeze, 1178.370 1181.631 is they're= getting rid of .. [the sa][2=lt2]. 1180.723 1181.350 KIRSTEN: [Salt]. 1181.350 1182.618 NICOLE: [2Oh2][3=3]. 1181.631 1182.597 KIRSTEN: [3That they have accumulated3]. 1182.597 1184.224 They have a salt gland. 1184.224 1185.642 ... In the beak. 1185.642 1188.951 ... And that is what separates [the sa=lt ou=t]. 1187.745 1188.951 DON: [Did you know that before]. 1188.951 1191.095 KIRSTEN: ... And to get [2rid of that s2]a[3=lt they3], 1189.980 1190.514 LORI: [2Hm-mm2]. 1190.654 1191.095 DON: [3Me neither3]. 1191.095 1191.374 KIRSTEN: (SNEEZE) 1191.374 1192.447 .. they sneeze. 1192.447 1193.774 LORI: .. (TSK) (H) Yeah [actually, 1193.287 1193.698 NICOLE: [Oh, 1193.698 1195.101 I never even thought of that]. 1193.824 1196.307 LORI: I remember doing the peng]uin .. thing a year ago, 1196.307 1198.501 but I don't remember that .. adap[2ta2]tion. 1197.713 1198.076 DON: [2No2]. 1198.576 1199.765 LORI: ... (H) Oh well. 1199.765 1201.309 KIRSTEN: (TSK) .. U=m, 1201.309 1204.114 ... we're gonna have to go up and do Q and A, 1204.114 1205.149 in three minutes. 1205.149 1205.524 @(Hx) 1205.524 1207.174 (H) Just looking at the clock. 1207.174 1207.710 LORI: [Who's do- -- 1207.174 1208.224 KIRSTEN: [I'm facing the clock. 1207.710 1208.604 LORI: Who's the diver]. 1208.224 1209.182 KIRSTEN: (H)] .. I don't -- 1209.182 1209.578 .. Oh, 1209.578 1210.754 probably Bernie. 1210.754 1212.229 ... (TSK) (H) U=m, 1212.229 1213.372 NICOLE: Do they have different divers, 1213.372 1213.839 every, 1213.839 1214.309 LORI: Mhm[=]. 1214.234 1214.637 NICOLE: [t][2ime2], 1214.351 1214.887 KIRSTEN: [2Yeah2]=, 1214.887 1215.675 .. every day. 1215.675 1216.832 ...

. 1216.832 1217.763 NICOLE: [Oh]. 1217.488 1219.877 KIRSTEN: [So] that would be= excreting salt. 1219.877 1220.422 Um, 1220.422 1223.597 .. when I see a penguin= .. (H) .. picking its butt. 1223.597 1224.691 .. [What is it d][2oing2]. 1223.801 1224.241 NICOLE: [@@] 1224.241 1224.641 AMY: [2@@2] 1224.691 1227.121 LORI: ... (H) (TSK) ... Preening (Hx)? 1227.121 1227.829 (H) Kinda like, 1227.829 1229.013 [picking at its] feathers? 1227.852 1228.452 DON: [Preening]. 1229.013 1229.563 Preening. 1229.563 1230.161 KIRSTEN: .. Okay. 1230.161 1230.615 LORI: [Preening]. 1230.244 1230.824 KIRSTEN: [It's pree]ning, 1230.824 1231.625 what is it doing. 1231.625 1233.008 What's at the base of the tail. 1233.008 1236.340 DON: ... @(Hx)= (H) % (Hx) 1236.340 1238.248 KIRSTEN: This is f[un you guy][2=s2]. 1237.083 1237.876 DON: [(H) Yeah], 1237.876 1238.284 [2right2]. 1237.876 1238.284 AMY: [2(Hx) @2] 1238.284 1238.885 LORI: It's [3at the3] -- 1238.384 1240.110 NICOLE: [3It is3] [4fu=n4]. 1238.384 1240.110 KIRSTEN: [3.. @3][4@@@@ (H)4] 1238.384 1240.110 DON: [3@3][4@ @(H) @@4] 1240.110 1240.548 LORI: .. @ (Hx) 1240.548 1242.417 KIRSTEN: .. [@(H) ]. 1240.817 1242.517 NICOLE: [I even thought of these thi][2=ngs, 1240.817 1243.101 DON: [@ .. Well the anus is at the] [2end of the2] tail. 1242.517 1242.855 NICOLE: it's like2], 1243.101 1243.467 <% oh, 1243.542 1244.758 didn't [know they had] [2meaning %>2]. 1243.900 1244.258 KIRSTEN: [Pardon me]? 1243.900 1244.258 DON: [Right]? 1244.283 1245.768 [2The anus2] is at the end of the [3tail3]. 1245.484 1246.300 KIRSTEN: [3That3] i=s, 1246.300 1247.322 [4that is4] very true, 1246.300 1246.659 DON: [4Right4]. 1247.322 1247.584 KIRSTEN: but, 1247.584 1247.791 DON: But, 1247.791 1250.283 KIRSTEN: let's say .. nea=r .. the anus. 1250.283 1251.361 .. What [might be there]. 1250.525 1252.104 DON: [Why don't you answer] this ques[2tion2]. 1251.833 1252.971 LORI: [2I2] got preen[3ing. 1252.846 1254.261 DON: [3@(Hx) @@3][4@@@4] 1252.971 1253.961 LORI: @=3][4@@@ 1253.378 1254.260 NICOLE: [4.. @Ah=4]. 1253.378 1254.260 KIRSTEN: [4It's okay4]. 1253.961 1254.936 LORI: .. (H)4][5= It's5] -- 1254.260 1256.148 KIRSTEN: [5It's the pr5][6eening gland6]. 1254.844 1256.148 DON: [6(Hx) .. Yeah6]. 1256.148 1256.474 LORI: (TSK) Oh, 1256.474 1256.841 o[kay]. 1256.550 1256.857 KIRSTEN: [Okay], 1256.857 1257.979 so it's a gla=nd, 1257.979 1260.399 ... that ... sto=res oi=l, 1260.399 1261.500 so what a penguin will do, 1261.500 1262.413 is it'll go back, 1262.413 1263.828 it'll [squee]ze the gland, 1262.587 1262.961 DON: [(COUGH)] 1263.828 1265.964 KIRSTEN: (H) it'll get some oil on its beak, 1265.964 1266.545 and then, 1266.545 1269.861 (H) .. it's [rubbing .. that .. waterproofing], 1267.221 1270.286 LORI: [(H) .. So it can keep itself water]proof, 1270.286 1270.867 [2righ2]=t. 1270.286 1270.667 DON: [2Mm2]. 1270.867 1271.710 KIRSTEN: waterproofing, 1271.710 1272.409 LORI: [Mhm=]. 1271.710 1272.409 NICOLE: [Oh=]. 1271.710 1273.271 KIRSTEN: [.. all over] its feathers. 1273.271 1273.437 AMY: Hm. 1273.437 1273.980 LORI: Mhm=. 1273.980 1275.201 KIRSTEN: ... Preening, 1275.201 1276.826 also consists of, 1276.826 1279.243 (H) .. working .. an air layer, 1279.243 1281.348 ... at the base of the feathers, 1281.348 1286.005 ... because ai=r .. is a better insulator .. than wa=ter. 1286.005 1288.005 If there [was w]ater touching the skin, 1286.255 1286.549 LORI: [Hm]. 1288.005 1290.557 KIRSTEN: .. (H) water is like a vacuum cleaner. 1290.557 1292.550 It is [just gonna s]=uck the heat away, 1290.825 1291.395 LORI: [Mhm]. 1292.550 1294.084 KIRSTEN: so by having the air there, 1294.084 1295.815 (H) it's a better insulator. 1295.815 1298.904 .. (H) So when I see a penguin dive into the wa=te=r, 1298.904 1301.528 and I see all of these little air bubbles coming out, 1301.528 1302.661 .. what am I seeing. 1302.661 1303.799 LORI: .. The air is r- -- 1303.799 1304.471 .. Is, 1304.471 1306.395 DON: ... Escaping [from the feathers]. 1305.504 1306.395 LORI: [escaping]. 1306.395 1307.025 .. [2Right. 1306.495 1307.768 KIRSTEN: [2Is compressed out2], 1307.025 1307.768 LORI: From the2] -- 1307.768 1308.319 KIRSTEN: .. (CH) (CH) 1308.319 1309.919 so the penguin comes up on land, 1309.919 1311.209 [and let's] start again. 1309.919 1310.453 LORI: [Mhm]. 1311.209 1312.706 KIRSTEN: .. And will start preening, 1312.706 1314.580 (H) working that air layer in, 1314.580 1316.280 (H) [getting] some oil, 1314.955 1315.284 LORI: [(H)] 1316.280 1317.438 KIRSTEN: .. [2spreading it ou2][3=t3], 1316.430 1317.263 LORI: [2 How often do the2] -- 1317.263 1317.446 DON: [3Mm3]. 1317.446 1318.993 LORI: How d- often does the bird [4molt4]. 1318.638 1318.993 KIRSTEN: [4(TSK) (H)4] 1318.993 1319.652 LORI: Once a year? 1319.852 1320.650 KIRSTEN: Once a yea[=r. 1320.423 1320.894 LORI: [Okay]. 1320.894 1323.066 KIRSTEN: .. S]ome species'll .. molt .. [2twice. 1322.588 1323.695 LORI: [2%% Twice2]. 1323.245 1324.241 KIRSTEN: (H)2] But basically, 1324.241 1325.170 if you think about it, 1325.170 1325.805 .. you know, 1325.805 1326.467 a year, 1326.467 1328.021 of picking at the feathers, 1328.021 1329.590 the feathers are gonna wear out. 1329.590 1330.162 LORI: [Mhm=]. 1329.590 1331.799 KIRSTEN: [(H) S]o the last thing that a penguin does, 1331.799 1333.309 before it goes out to sea=, 1333.309 1334.518 ... i=s, 1334.518 1335.391 LORI: Shed its=, 1335.391 1336.062 .. [yeah]. 1335.441 1336.062 NICOLE: [Okay]. 1336.062 1338.158 KIRSTEN: It ... does a clean sweep. 1338.158 1338.913 LORI: .. [Mhm]. 1338.239 1338.913 KIRSTEN: [And], 1338.913 1340.574 molts all of its feathers off. 1340.574 1343.353 ... And then gets the new feathers o=n. 1343.353 1345.248 ... (TSK) (H) .. Okay. 1345.248 1346.264 .. (H)= So, 1346.264 1347.053 other than that, 1347.053 1347.460 um, 1347.460 1349.062 .. really the only t=raining? 1349.062 1351.070 .. That they do .. with the penguins? 1351.070 1351.341 You know, 1351.341 1353.000 we train all kinds of behaviors, 1353.000 1354.320 with the other animals. 1354.320 1357.415 (H) .. The- the- the- the training that they do with the penguins, 1357.415 1358.121 is basically, 1358.121 1360.838 that they have feeding stations for them. 1360.838 1361.119 DON: Hm. 1361.119 1363.026 KIRSTEN: (H) .. Uh Rockhoppers' is here, 1363.026 1364.224 uh Gentus' is he=re, 1364.224 1365.546 Magellanics' is he=re, 1365.546 1367.658 and you= are not gonna get a fi=sh, 1367.658 1370.171 ... unless you come to your feeding station. 1370.171 1372.358 LORI: .. (TSK) Do they pretty much know that by now? 1372.358 1374.172 .. Have they pretty much ada=pted to that? 1374.172 1378.175 AMY: ... (H) ... They were still in the room. 1378.175 1379.180 KIRSTEN: ... O[kay]. 1378.753 1379.205 AMY: [When], 1379.205 1380.307 when I was here. 1380.307 1380.620 And, 1380.620 1381.011 they were, 1381.011 1384.061 .. they were pretty random ... about it, 1384.061 1385.965 .. because Mark would .. take, 1385.965 1387.602 .. you know a bucket over here, 1387.602 1387.839 KIRSTEN: Right. 1387.839 1389.201 [And that] was with the chicks[2=2]. 1387.839 1388.240 AMY: [and then], 1388.901 1389.279 [2whoev2]er, 1389.279 1389.876 yeah[3=3]. 1389.751 1390.235 KIRSTEN: [3O3]kay. 1390.235 1391.519 AMY: .. With .. the, 1391.519 1392.611 ... (H) , 1392.611 1393.226 ... I mean, 1393.226 1394.515 the ones that were .. in the=re, 1394.515 1395.604 LORI: The adult p[enguins]. 1395.133 1395.604 AMY: [the=y], 1395.604 1395.885 yeah, 1395.885 1397.371 the [adult] ones were fine about it, 1395.950 1396.321 LORI: [Mhm]. 1397.371 1397.635 AMY: you know, 1397.635 1398.504 someone set up over here, 1398.504 1399.139 and someone over here, 1399.139 1400.428 and they ... pretty much went, 1400.428 1402.247 ... where they [were supposed to. 1401.232 1401.893 LORI: [So they knew, 1401.893 1403.008 to go to station o=]ne, 1402.247 1402.874 AMY: .. Yeah]. 1403.008 1404.343 Versus sta[2tion t2][3=wo3]. 1403.652 1403.997 KIRSTEN: [2Right]. 1403.897 1404.250 AMY: [3Yeah3]. 1404.250 1405.172 LORI: ... O[4kay4]. 1404.947 1405.528 KIRSTEN: [4S4]o, 1405.528 1407.556 ... I guess. 1407.556 1408.002 @@ 1408.002 1408.434 Not I'm not -- 1408.434 1409.317 .. I'm not su=re, 1409.317 1409.669 but, 1409.669 1410.935 ... (H) it's just kind of interesting, 1410.935 1411.472 because, 1411.472 1413.606 ... other facilities, 1413.606 1414.753 as far as I'm aware, 1414.753 1416.715 it's like with the sea otters as well, 1416.715 1417.253 (H) you know, 1417.253 1420.065 % the training that they do with these animals is pretty minimal. 1420.065 1420.920 With the sea otters, 1420.920 1421.485 they're pretty -- 1421.485 1422.557 .. They can be aggressive, 1422.557 1423.645 they have .. big teeth. 1423.645 1425.933 (H) People have historically done more training, 1425.933 1426.832 with cetaceans, 1426.832 1429.064 than they have .. with (H) other animals, 1429.064 1429.550 and we, 1429.550 1432.240 we really do= some pretty unique training here, 1432.240 1433.697 (H) ... with our penguins, 1433.697 1434.516 with our sea otters, 1434.516 1435.519 and with our sea=ls. 1435.519 1436.006 LORI: [Mhm]. 1435.519 1436.006 KIRSTEN: [So]. 1436.056 1437.907 ... It's kinda neat stuff. 1437.907 1438.908 LORI: ... [Cool]. 1438.408 1439.907 KIRSTEN: [(TSK)] ... Anything else? 1439.907 1441.275 About penguins=, 1441.275 1442.594 that we should discuss? 1442.594 1445.743 ... For you guys, 1445.743 1447.821 the key to the penguin .. ca=rt, 1447.821 1448.453 .. if you d- -- 1448.453 1448.772 Well, 1448.772 1449.017 I don't, 1449.017 1449.971 LORI: .. The puf[fin] cart? 1449.462 1449.681 KIRSTEN: [%] 1449.971 1450.226 Are -- 1450.226 1450.600 [Yeah the] -- 1450.226 1450.911 DON: [Puffin] [2cart2]? 1450.600 1450.911 LORI: [2Mhm2]. 1450.911 1452.583 KIRSTEN: (H) Is ... o=n, 1452.583 1453.902 is behind the tide pool. 1453.902 1455.547 On one of re- the reserve tanks. 1455.547 1457.374 So if you choose to pick a specimen, 1457.374 1459.602 (H) ... you don't have to bring the whole cart out. 1459.602 1461.002 [If you wanna] grab a specimen, 1459.602 1460.091 DON: [Hm=]. 1461.002 1462.211 KIRSTEN: and bring it out to the exhibit, 1462.211 1462.887 that's fine. 1462.887 1463.095 But, 1463.095 1465.975 (H)= I suggest that .. you .. check it out .. today, 1465.975 1466.725 anyway, 1466.725 1467.154 um, 1467.154 1468.336 ... (TSK) there's just -- 1468.336 1470.181 ... There's some neat things to interpret. 1470.181 1470.680 So. 1470.680 1471.899 (H)= .. Check it out. 1471.899 1473.395 LORI: You've got .. underwater [viewing]. 1472.866 1473.395 DON: [Yeah]. 1473.395 1474.289 ... At three. 1474.289 1474.812 KIRSTEN: Check it out. 1474.812 1475.633 So if there's a time, 1475.633 1477.169 .. you know for ~Lori to go do it, 1477.169 1477.674 (H) 1477.674 1480.115 LORI: (TSK) Well I'll probably go between coasta=l, 1480.115 1482.425 .. I'll probably me[ander coast]al downstairs. 1480.958 1481.613 KIRSTEN: [(TSK) Okay]. 1482.425 1485.471 LORI: Cause there's a presentation ... close to four thirty. 1485.471 1485.855 KIRSTEN: Okay. 1485.855 1486.786 ... Great, 1486.786 1487.187 LORI: Oh wait. 1487.187 1488.396 ... Never mind. 1488.396 1489.510 .. I'll do it then. 1489.510 1491.832 ... When there's a presentation at three. 1491.832 1494.497 KIRSTEN: ... . 1494.497 1495.157 LORI: .. Mhm=. 1495.157 1497.298 KIRSTEN: .. (TSK) (H) So that is penguin stuff. 1497.298 1497.787 Um, 1497.787 1498.908 I hate to say it, 1498.908 1499.384 but, 1499.384 1501.116 ... can you guys go do Q and A, 1501.116 1501.420 or who -- 1501.420 1502.848 Or ~Lori are you doing Q and A? 1502.848 1503.278 LORI: No, 1503.278 1505.576 I don't think anyone signed up for [Q and A]. 1504.729 1506.945 DON: [Nobody sign][2ed up for Q and A2]. 1505.723 1506.945 LORI: [2.. @(Hx)= @@2] 1505.723 1507.578 KIRSTEN: [2Nobody's gonna do Q and2] A=[3=3]? 1507.253 1507.625 LORI: [3(H)3] 1507.625 1509.927 KIRSTEN: (H)= .. I should've cancelled it then. 1510.002 1511.737 .. somebody do Q and [A WH>]. 1511.398 1511.816 LORI: [Well], 1511.816 1512.652 both of us[2=2]. 1512.427 1513.302 KIRSTEN: [2Do it2] to[3gether3]. 1512.799 1513.403 DON: [3You wanna do3] it? 1513.403 1513.645 LORI: Yeah, 1513.645 1515.333 cause I can't remember the questions. 1515.333 1516.294 KIRSTEN: .. Do it together. 1516.294 1517.761 LORI: You have to remind me the ques[tion. 1517.490 1519.525 DON: [I gotta be down at the] tide pool at two thirty. 1517.761 1518.226 LORI: Alright]. 1519.525 1520.276 That's [2okay2]=. 1519.779 1520.026 KIRSTEN: [2Okay2]. 1520.276 1520.859 .. O[3kay3]. 1520.684 1521.724 LORI: [3We'll3] do Q and A. 1521.724 1522.226 [4And if it's4] -- 1521.724 1522.738 KIRSTEN: [4Thanks guy4]=s. 1522.738 1524.121 LORI: .. %Uh what time is .. Q and A, 1524.121 1525.161 two .. tw[enty], 1524.940 1525.369 KIRSTEN: [Now]=. 1525.369 1526.321 LORI: ... [2A=nd, 1525.794 1526.396 DON: [2Right now2]. 1526.321 1528.375 LORI: t2]ell me [3when I can get check3]ed out on seals. 1526.688 1527.414 DON: [3 Two fifteen 3]. 1528.375 1528.729 KIRSTEN: Okay. 1528.729 1529.525 I'll [find y]ou. 1528.954 1529.354 LORI: [Today]. 1529.525 1530.280 DON: Where's [22], 1529.606 1530.570 KIRSTEN: [2I will find2] [3you3]. 1529.606 1530.858 LORI: [2.. I don't wanna do2] [3it in two3] weeks, 1530.883 1531.308 I'll [4forget. 1531.060 1531.433 DON: [4where's the4] -- 1531.308 1531.917 LORI: @4][5@@5] 1531.383 1531.917 KIRSTEN: [5No I won't5], 1531.917 1532.803 %I promise.