4.270 7.282 PATTY: ... I Just wanted to go over the changes in the schedule? 7.415 8.443 ... (H) Um originally, 8.443 10.899 .. we were going to require the um, 11.068 15.726 ... request fo=r statement of interest and qualifications to come .. back to, 16.234 17.044 ... uh, 17.044 18.387 ... twenty North Clark Street, 18.387 19.718 on April seventh. 19.718 20.286 ... (H) Um, 20.286 21.133 .. but the, 21.133 22.004 ... um, 22.004 25.718 ... coordinating council felt that it was wise to give the community, 26.177 27.109 ... more time, 26.988 27.786 ... a weekend, 27.786 28.645 .. two days, 28.645 33.097 ... to uh= ... augment .. whatever application [people were gonna] submit, 31.815 32.916 AUD: [(THROAT)] 33.121 36.690 PATTY: so the due date is changed from .. April .. seventh, 36.690 37.779 .. to April eleventh, 37.779 38.710 at noon. 38.867 42.738 ... And you can drop off those proposals at twenty North Clark Street. 43.053 43.537 ... (H) Um, 43.537 46.936 the same .. process ... will continue, 46.936 48.678 .. but for the changes in the time, 48.678 51.763 at the time that you .. drop off your proposal, 51.763 55.210 .. you will be scheduled for a uh .. public .. meeting, 55.210 60.073 ... where you will be given a chance and an opportunity to present your (H) uh proposal. 60.460 62.952 .. (H) Um right now we're looking at April fifteenth, 62.952 64.102 which is a Friday, 64.102 64.561 and s- -- 64.561 65.916 .. and April sixteenth, 65.916 69.267 .. as the uh date for that public presentation, 69.267 70.513 .. and we don't know, 70.513 72.025 .. where that will be held, 72.025 73.501 or what time that will be held, 73.501 76.078 but we'll make sure that everyone gets noticed about that. 76.876 79.779 ... (H) During April seventeen to the twenty-third, 79.779 83.759 the coordinating council will identify the empowerments on location, 84.364 85.852 (H) a=nd uh=, 85.937 88.284 .. during the week of uh A[pril twen]ty-fifth, 87.280 87.969 AUD: [(COUGH)] 88.284 92.687 PATTY: there will be a city-wide meeting to present the selected empowerment zone, 92.687 95.808 (H) uh to go over= how that zone was selected, 95.808 97.671 ... a=nd uh=, 97.901 101.530 ... the place date and time for that meeting .. will also be announced. 102.425 103.066 .. (H) .. Um, 103.066 104.965 .. from May second to June third, 104.965 106.417 the strategic plan, 106.417 108.123 .. for the empower[ment zone], 107.107 107.724 AUD: [(COUGH)] 108.159 109.369 PATTY: ... will be developed, 109.369 110.796 .. with the community, 111.679 114.062 ... a=nd during the week of June sixth, 114.062 114.462 um, 114.413 116.070 a public presentation of, 116.070 118.986 .. on the uh empowerment zone application, 118.986 121.575 and the strategic plan will presented- be presented again, 121.877 124.538 (H) the place date and time .. will be announced. 124.538 125.337 (H) um, 125.567 126.873 ... and on June thirtieth, 126.873 128.155 that's the drop dead date, 128.155 128.663 .. um, 128.663 130.393 when we will send the application, 130.393 133.817 .. for selection by HUD as an empowerment zone for Chicago. 134.180 135.087 ... (H) Um, 135.268 137.156 ... is- if there are no other questions, 137.156 137.446 um, 137.446 137.930 we can, 138.148 138.837 ... yes sir. 139.200 140.265 GRANT: ... a question. 140.265 140.821 PATTY: (TSK) Yeah. 140.821 142.127 GRANT: .. Worst case scenario. 142.926 144.172 ... After we submit em, 144.172 146.990 ... the- uh the proposal application, 148.865 149.180 ... uh, 149.180 150.982 human beings being what they are, 150.982 152.749 .. organizations being what they are. 153.970 156.245 ... what .. will the coordinating council, 156.245 158.313 what does the city propose to do, 158.616 160.660 ... when there's a hue and cry. 161.180 164.483 ... from those who attempting ... to empower themselves, 165.451 169.225 ... a=nd combined with coupled with those who are seeking more power. 169.733 171.789 ... Who= say= unfair, 172.080 174.729 ... this= ... wasn't done right, 174.935 178.261 ... according to ... our perspective, 178.419 179.931 ... or this that and the other. 180.898 182.931 PATTY: ... that [would be the] worst case scenar[2io2], 181.104 181.527 GRANT: [X] -- 182.604 183.802 [2worst2] case scenario. 183.826 184.552 AUD: (COUGH) (COUGH) 184.552 186.233 GRANT: What can .. the city, 186.233 186.753 what -- 187.020 188.882 ... what can the coordinating council, 188.882 190.092 ... or what's gonna be p- -- 190.092 191.338 .. be in place, 191.628 194.774 ... to= ... listen to all the criticisms, 194.665 195.354 AUD: (COUGH) 195.354 198.463 GRANT: .. all of the= ... disappointments at, 198.463 199.975 .. not being selected, 199.975 201.004 ... so that, 202.286 203.931 ... let's say optimistically, 203.931 205.298 .. there are some good ideas. 205.867 207.137 ... s=ome oversight, 207.137 208.903 or something that can be corrected, 209.242 211.867 ... hopefully that's ... of minor proportion. 211.867 212.689 ... So that, 212.689 214.552 ... we can still keep the city, 215.387 216.839 ... running smoothly, 217.032 219.089 ... and becoming more and more beautiful. 219.391 223.383 PATTY: ... I don't know if that issue has been discussed by the um coordinating council? 223.383 225.307 I think it's a legitimate issue, 225.307 226.129 ... u=m, 226.129 228.791 ... I w- y- would be willing to take that back, 228.791 230.109 to have them discuss that, 230.109 230.460 but, 230.460 232.795 .. I mean the worst thing would be for, 232.795 236.521 .. HUD not to recognize that this is a c- collaborative effort, 236.521 237.343 a partnership, 237.343 238.408 between the community, 238.541 239.000 the city, 239.000 240.996 the business community and the neighborhoods, 240.996 241.613 (H) and, 241.819 243.501 .. I mean it wouldn't bode well, 243.501 246.210 ... for Chicago to get an empowerment zone if, 246.210 249.283 .. if everyone .. were not supportive and on board. 249.525 250.202 ... So, 250.202 251.581 .. I mean that answers your question. 251.581 253.843 I don't know= what the coordinating council's role, 253.843 255.040 .. in that case would be. 255.371 257.928 ... But we'll .. definitely take that message back. 258.536 259.448 ... ] -- 258.868 261.770 GRANT: [May I propose] that the coordinating council consider, 262.807 266.193 ... my .. individual worst case scenario, 266.303 268.183 ... and any other worst case scenarios, 268.183 270.449 that they .. collectively . 271.624 274.443 ... Notwithstanding #Paul #XX's suggestion, 274.443 277.000 ... that the empowerment zone ... moneys, 277.000 278.078 a hundred million, 278.078 279.474 ... CTA green line, 279.474 280.842 three-hundred million, 280.842 282.072 ... be utilized, 282.072 283.523 .. effectively and efficiently, 284.131 285.845 ... to get a bigger bang for the buck. 288.250 288.886 PATTY: ... kay XX, 288.886 290.185 ROSE: .. I just wanted to say that, 290.185 292.465 .. there's also some other opportunities for, 292.741 293.515 ... um, 293.833 295.644 ... organizations that are new, 295.644 297.109 .. in the networking process, 297.109 298.988 and I think that the more meetings you can attend, 298.988 301.186 and the more ... organizations, 301.186 302.789 ... that hear your voice. 302.789 303.507 AUD: .. (THROAT) 303.507 304.420 ROSE: the better. 304.710 305.871 ... There's uh, 306.161 308.027 ... a networking meeting going on, 308.027 309.188 .. on Friday. 309.188 310.818 ... at nine thirty in the morning, 310.666 311.952 at the Center. 312.200 313.582 ... And it's .. free, 313.582 314.591 ... It's it's a -- 314.591 318.033 ... it's .. a group of assist and nonassist agencies, 318.489 319.124 ... um, 319.124 320.852 .. organizations like CRCC, 321.377 322.538 ... the Center, 322.538 324.072 the COBCU, 324.072 325.979 .. Women's Business Development Center, 325.979 328.038 ... Small Business Development Center, 328.038 329.669 I couldn't even begin to mention the list, 329.669 333.152 because there's about twenty-five different assist and nonassist agencies on there. 333.815 334.714 ... But I think that, 334.714 337.326 .. anybody who belongs to an organization, 337.796 338.570 ... um, 338.570 341.900 ... that ... has any type of .. connection with the city, 341.900 342.992 .. it would be good to -- 342.992 343.987 GRANT: Twenty-sixth where. 343.987 345.300 ROSE: .. This one is Friday, 345.300 347.359 ... at nine thirty at the Center. 347.732 348.036 GRANT: ... The , 348.050 348.285 right? 348.285 348.838 That's the . 348.838 349.432 .. X .. [X] -- 349.156 351.091 ROSE: [It's] one o five West Adams, 352.183 353.482 ... on the seventh floor, 355.817 356.633 GRANT: ... At what time? 357.089 357.545 ROSE: ... Nine. 358.153 358.844 ... I'm sorry, 358.844 360.198 it's nine to ten-thirty. 361.553 361.843 GRANT: ... Okay, 361.843 364.483 I- I- .. I- . 366.791 367.164 ROSE: Mhm. 368.532 370.177 PATTY: ... The lady in the yellow sweater? 370.743 371.642 KAREN: Actually I was -- 371.918 375.152 ... I was trying to reframe his concerns in the best case scenario. 375.152 376.176 The Alderman spoke to, 376.411 376.985 ... you feel that, 376.985 379.028 somehow the process that has been established. 379.146 379.543 ... Um, 379.543 380.425 .. could divide the city. 380.425 381.967 .. Best case scenario would be the- %, 381.967 383.230 .. provisions were made, 383.230 384.978 ... such that the ideas that come out, 384.978 387.569 and the collaborations that come out of this process, 387.569 389.199 ... and let them .. continue. 389.199 392.016 Whether or not the city of Chicago is designated for anything. 392.016 394.293 .. That- .. that some reassurance of what comes out of it, 394.293 394.714 AUD: (THROAT) 394.714 395.286 KAREN: could be, 395.286 395.621 um, 395.621 397.154 somehow taken into consideration, 397.154 398.589 and continue to be fostered, 398.589 400.036 ... from the city of Chicago, 400.219 401.536 PATTY: .. I think the city is -- 401.536 403.468 .. I mean I know the city is committed to that, 403.468 406.177 and I know that that has come up at the= i- um, 406.371 408.088 .. (TSK) (H) the coordinating council meeting. 408.120 409.620 A desi=re to work, 409.610 411.056 ... continue to work, 411.056 411.682 AUD: (COUGH) 411.736 413.096 PATTY: ... with people, 413.236 414.553 .... no matter what happens, 414.564 415.298 on this issue, 415.363 417.273 and there's been some discussion about, 417.273 418.169 (H) u=m, 418.730 420.403 ... other kinds of funds, 420.403 422.584 that could be .. put towards implementing, 422.584 423.231 uh, 423.339 424.106 .. uh, 424.106 424.958 .. areas -- 424.958 426.977 .. plans in areas that are not selected, 426.977 427.354 AUD: (THROAT) 427.354 427.581 PATTY: um, 427.581 429.567 so I think there is a commitment to do that, 429.535 429.934 and that -- 429.934 431.650 .. that certainly has been the spirit, 431.650 433.755 (H) of the um .. coordinating council. 436.648 437.015 ... . 438.375 439.012 DAN: Um, 440.652 442.865 ... I've got uh .. three questions .. for you. 442.865 443.394 Uh, 443.545 446.071 ... and I suppose your response is gonna just .. kinda XX on there, 446.071 446.621 but first, 446.621 447.204 .. um, 447.204 449.741 .. does the city have any idea how many uh, 449.989 450.993 ... requests they're gonna- -- 450.993 452.795 how many proposals that they're gonna be getting? 452.795 453.896 ... Do you have [an estim]ation? 453.076 453.400 PATTY: [No]. 454.716 455.429 DAN: ... So=, 455.429 456.195 AUD: . 456.282 457.156 DAN: [@=@ 456.994 458.904 MANY: [(LAUGHTER)] 457.123 457.717 DAN: I'm sure. 457.955 458.850 U=m], 458.796 460.038 [2s-2] -- 458.796 460.038 AUD: [2(THROAT)2] 460.038 461.581 DAN: ... Uh well that kind of leads into my- -- 461.581 464.474 .. my next question I think touches on .. these people's questions, 464.474 465.132 as far as, 465.823 467.313 (H) % ... it seemed like it would behoove us all, 467.313 470.734 if there were some kind of .. consensus building process before, 471.047 471.609 ... uh, 471.609 472.526 .. , 472.979 473.778 ... So what people are saying, 473.778 475.224 they're having community meetings, 475.224 475.958 .. community organiza- -- 475.958 476.217 .. % -- 476.217 476.617 .. community, 476.617 477.146 uh, 477.394 478.204 .. group meetings. 478.204 478.722 .. But, 478.873 479.693 ... uh, 479.693 480.438 ... it's= -- 480.729 483.438 ... from what I understand of this empowerment zone .. process, 483.438 487.346 the idea is to really .. involve [things on a g-] grassroots level. 485.640 486.137 AUD: [(COUGH)] 487.346 488.242 DAN: ... A=nd, 488.598 490.023 ... my two concerns on par- -- 490.023 491.307 as far as participation goes, 491.307 492.354 .. are o=ne, 492.354 493.390 ... that, 494.297 496.628 ... a- and I voiced this concern with when, 496.628 497.988 .. uh last month at the, 498.388 499.068 ... uh, 499.068 499.683 .. Washington- -- 499.683 501.345 or uh Washington Library Center when they, 501.680 502.014 ... uh, 502.014 503.558 XX that. 503.763 504.616 ... A=nd, 504.940 505.781 ... that is, 506.397 509.732 ... simply ... throwing this out into the community and saying that, 509.905 512.646 ... you expect the community to be able to respond, 512.646 514.945 .. Community groups to be able to respond to you. 515.140 515.971 (H) Is, 516.974 518.324 ... I think it- at l- at least, 518.324 519.360 not an effective, 519.576 520.741 ... uh instrument for -- 520.741 521.778 for getting this done. 521.950 522.835 ... Uh, 523.332 523.742 AUD: ... (COUGH) 523.904 526.656 PATTY: I think [that that's the expecta]tion of the -- 524.260 524.789 DAN: [It doesn't -- 524.789 525.847 it doesn't address] -- 526.613 528.265 PATTY: [2of the XXXX2]. 526.948 528.621 DAN: [2% It doesn't address the fact2] that, 528.621 529.215 .. one, 529.215 530.726 .. community organizations, 531.017 531.632 .. (H) um, 531.632 534.083 and many are- .. of them being service providers, 534.083 536.015 .. do not necessarily ha=ve, 536.015 538.141 ... the same ... goals? 538.141 538.918 .. in mind, 539.015 540.300 as community residents do. 540.289 541.530 They've got different agendas, 541.530 542.998 they've got different .. priorities, 542.998 544.563 they've got different .. purposes. 545.006 545.891 ... than, 545.891 548.082 ... members of the r- the community themselves. 548.514 549.323 ... (H) U=m, 549.723 551.169 ... the second thing is that, 551.169 552.777 .. people who do not live, 552.777 554.310 .. directly inside, 554.310 557.634 (H) the areas that are gonna be part of the empowerment zo=nes, 557.937 560.009 ... they've got an overriding concern in this because, 560.009 561.617 (H) as Mr. #Pollack said, 561.617 564.175 A hundred million dollars is just gonna be a drop in the bucket. 564.175 565.751 ... To be able to make these things work, 565.751 568.093 and especially to make them work over a ten year process, 568.266 569.820 (H) that this is calling for, 569.820 573.210 ... there're gonna be a lot of community ... resources, 573.339 573.641 .. s- -- 573.641 574.084 .. uh, 574.084 575.142 ... from the federal government, 575.142 575.973 ... from the state, 575.973 576.642 ... county, 576.793 577.473 ... and city, 577.473 579.146 that are gonna need to be .. marshalled, 579.146 580.085 they're gonna need to be, 580.085 582.179 .. reallocated to this area. 582.449 584.154 ... And to be able to have a consensus, 584.154 586.054 not just within .. the empowerment zone, 586.054 587.371 but within the city itself, 587.371 588.407 if these services. 588.407 590.307 ... Are gonna be provided and maintained, 590.652 591.915 ... over the ten years, 592.606 594.387 ... through different administrations, 594.657 595.952 ... through different aldermen, 596.341 597.625 ... political processes, 597.625 598.618 .. involved, 599.255 602.871 ... these people are not being brought into the decision-making process beforehand. 603.022 605.429 ... And I think this speaks to these people's concern, 605.429 605.904 (H) [that] -- 605.429 606.756 PATTY: [These people] meaning who. 606.756 607.145 .. The -- 607.145 608.483 DAN: I I heard several people, 608.483 609.271 this .. this r- -- 609.271 610.156 ... I don't know their names. 610.156 610.869 So I'll just have to -- 610.869 611.840 .. woman in yellow, 611.894 613.297 ... gentleman here in the glasses, 613.297 614.183 that, 614.776 616.028 ... there's gonna be 0h, 616.471 618.209 .. uh earlier that very first speaker, 618.209 619.137 gentleman uh, 619.137 620.044 #Ed #Smith. 620.044 621.015 ... Uh, 621.468 625.376 ... that you're gonna be receiving a number of ... proposals, 625.505 626.358 ... and, 626.833 627.847 ... you say you don't know how many, 627.847 629.067 I don't know how you're gonna have, 629.725 631.971 ... twenty-eight .. thirty-two people that you said, 631.971 633.385 on a coordinating council read, 633.385 635.155 ... maybe a hundred proposals, 635.155 636.666 ... within a week's time, 636.666 641.372 ... and be able to ... arrive at one ... selected empowerment zone, 641.739 644.761 ... it seems to me that it- .. be much more beneficial, 644.804 646.952 .. if the entire community as a whole, 646.952 648.496 ... was brought into this process, 648.496 649.057 .. and, 649.057 650.547 ... this is what I'm bringing up is, 650.547 652.101 the idea of participation. 652.101 654.929 ... True community-based citizen participation. 654.929 657.552 ... would involve ongoing series of meeting, 657.638 662.096 ... that I would think that the ... coordinating council would be ... promoting, 662.096 666.025 .. [would be organizing and directing on an] 0ngoing 0.000000e+00ven nightly basis, 662.096 664.125 AUD: [(COUGH) (COUGH) (COUGH)] 666.122 668.669 PATTY: .. That's not [2exact2]ly grassroot ... planning, 666.359 667.093 DAN: [2to be2] -- 668.734 669.241 PATTY: either. 668.917 669.338 DAN: Right. 669.446 670.180 PATTY: (H) um, 670.429 671.540 ... grassroot planning, 671.540 673.354 is when people get out in the community, 673.354 674.088 and organize, 674.357 675.296 DAN: ... But [they need a forum. 674.519 675.685 PATTY: [and do the work]. 675.275 675.750 DAN: they need] -- 675.750 678.545 (H) if this woman here [2today did2] not speak [3up3], 676.732 677.455 PATTY: [2a=nd2], 677.671 679.020 PATTY: [3Let me3] answer your [4question. 678.535 680.963 DAN: [4All these people here would not even know a meeting was going on4]. 679.031 681.848 PATTY: Let me .. try to respond to your ques4]tion sir. 682.291 683.165 ... So=, 683.165 685.594 .. % what you're suggesting is not a grassroot, 685.594 686.403 in my opinion, 686.403 688.702 a grassroot ... process. 688.972 689.825 (H) Secondly, 689.825 691.487 the the the reality is, 691.487 693.128 ... we only have, 694.024 696.895 ... till June thirtieth to submit an application. 696.895 698.114 .. [A] really -- 698.168 700.802 ... a true strategic planning process, 700.802 701.730 grassroot, 701.730 703.803 .. takes many more months than that. 703.803 705.843 ... Many [more years than] we have. 704.245 704.774 DAN: [XX] 705.994 706.598 PATTY: .. Okay? 706.782 707.041 (H) So, 707.041 709.847 we have to do the best that we .. can do, 709.847 711.412 given the time that we have. 714.704 715.514 DAN: ... And all I'm saying is, 715.514 716.302 I'm saying that, 716.302 717.651 .. I don't believe a forum, 717.651 719.637 is being presented for community groups to -- 719.637 719.918 .. I mean, 719.918 722.076 some people are finding out about this for the first time tonight, 722.076 723.415 some people are finding out about meetings, 723.415 724.494 that are going on with other groups, 724.494 725.563 for the first time tonight, 725.617 727.333 (H) this is not being promoted by the city, 727.333 729.729 this is not being (H) publicized as a [forum .. as a] -- 729.071 730.226 PATTY: [It has been pro]moted, 730.226 731.618 it has been publicized. 731.618 732.514 [I don't know] -- 731.618 732.287 DAN: [I'll tell you right now, 732.287 733.010 that the] leading, 733.010 734.230 (Hx) onprofit, 734.230 736.076 .. affordable housing provider on the West Side, 736.076 736.864 isn't even involved with this. 736.864 738.137 He said he hasn't even XXX -- 738.137 738.623 PRIDE. 738.623 739.659 .. has not even been contacted, 739.659 740.911 by those groups on the West Side. 740.847 741.041 PATTY: Well, 741.084 741.710 let me tell you. 741.710 742.930 I've worked with PRIDE, 742.930 745.175 .. and I had a meeting with PRIDE last week, 745.175 745.963 they know about it. 745.963 747.161 DAN: I didn't say they didn't know about it, 747.145 748.034 I said they're not being -- 748.034 749.982 they're not being contacted by y- -- 749.982 751.931 ... as far as being brought into a network, 752.559 753.304 ... for this. 753.304 753.879 I'm I'm sorry, 753.788 754.965 I'm not trying to be confrontational. 754.965 755.135 Okay, 755.135 756.809 I'm trying to raise .. issues and concerns. 756.809 757.136 Alright? 757.136 758.313 PATTY: Although [I do think, 757.502 757.946 DAN: [The second -- 757.946 758.613 my second qu-] -- 758.404 759.542 PATTY: that the] organization, 759.542 761.190 has a responsibility. 761.190 762.720 .. If they're [interested] in this, 761.595 762.288 DAN: [Undoubtedly]. 762.497 763.295 [2Undoubtedly2]. 762.615 765.871 PATTY: [2And they care2] about empowerment of th- of their [3.. constituency3], 764.877 765.688 DAN: [3Undoubtedly3]. 765.688 767.192 PATTY: to get involved in the process, 767.061 768.317 and find a way to make that [happen XX]. 768.108 770.501 DAN: [M- my second] question would be on the process, 770.501 772.724 % the city obviously's got its own priorities, 772.724 773.299 it's got, 773.299 774.058 ... u=m, 774.058 775.588 ... funds already allocated in budget, 775.588 778.321 it's got areas designated that they would like to see worked on, 778.491 779.289 ... a=nd, 779.537 781.473 ... my question as far as the process is c- -- 781.473 782.689 way the selection goes, 782.689 783.957 .. are um, 785.200 785.814 ... what -- 785.814 787.410 w- which is gonna drive which. 787.763 790.339 ... How much weight are gonna be given to=, 790.522 791.294 ... u=m, 791.294 792.196 ... proposals, 792.196 795.256 which .. dovetail into .. existing programs, 795.256 796.224 that the city has, 796.224 796.812 or, 796.812 799.872 .. that the city is intending on implementing in certain areas, 799.872 802.174 .. and how much is the city willing to bend and say, 802.331 802.945 ... I will g- -- 802.945 807.483 we are gonna forego ... these uh .. scheduled or proposed projects, 807.483 810.439 to be able to dovetail into .. empowerment zones. 813.394 814.336 GRANT: ... What's being said, 814.336 815.107 #Patty is, 815.487 817.370 ... when is the city going to present, 817.370 818.207 say for instance, 818.664 819.920 ... its overall plan, 819.920 821.227 for conducting the city. 821.227 822.640 So everyone can see, 822.640 823.869 .. their seat, 823.869 825.255 .. in the auditorium, 825.255 827.413 .. or their .. place around the table, 827.805 830.552 ... and how long will they have to wait for their turn for development, 830.552 832.409 .. when will their interests be served, 832.605 833.272 ... so, 833.272 834.697 ... this empowerment zone, 834.697 835.599 it simply seems to me, 835.599 837.129 is opening a Pandora's Box. 840.163 840.909 PATTY: ... Go ahead. 841.406 841.903 ... Well to -- 841.903 844.492 let me answer your question in terms of the um, 845.133 845.774 ... uh, 846.794 848.075 ... proposed plans, 848.075 849.108 .. I mean right now, 849.108 851.907 ... the= ... um coordinating council, 851.907 853.293 is making the selection, 853.293 855.006 based on the information, 855.451 857.779 ... tha=t is received from the community. 858.027 862.866 ... And obviously there % there are ... other issues to look at, 862.866 863.990 .. for example, 864.043 864.513 ... um, 864.513 868.842 organizations that may be involved in .. um .. current work, 868.920 869.980 ... their ability, 869.980 871.248 new organizations, 871.248 872.124 new ideas, 872.124 873.576 (H) I mean all that is getting- -- 873.576 874.871 .. is thrown in the pot. 874.871 878.990 (H) and I don't think that any .. community that has an existing plan, 878.990 880.166 .. has a leg up, 880.762 885.278 ... o=n any one else who has a new idea that may not be part of a plan. 885.582 886.191 DAN: ... Uh, 886.403 887.714 .. are they explaining the uh- -- 887.714 888.324 for example I -- 888.324 889.476 .. don't know if #Londa #White is here, 889.476 890.641 s- uh theoretical- -- 890.641 891.661 ... at a uh, 890.641 894.680 ... a .. uh community meeting last month, 894.680 897.276 in which uh a lot of uh selection criteria were, 897.316 898.203 ... uh, 898.587 899.355 ... drawn up, 899.355 900.123 I= was wondering, 900.123 903.527 if is the council ... gonna absorb that into the [selection process also], 902.414 903.196 PATTY: [The council, 903.196 904.004 has] uh, 904.004 905.421 received a copy of that, 905.421 908.334 and the council has seen portions of uh, 908.334 910.281 ... of the Seaway principles, 910.281 912.665 (H) some of those principles have been -- 912.784 915.101 .. are [included] in what we have tonight, 913.009 913.578 AUD: [(COUGH)] 915.141 916.969 PATTY: .. Others are really principles, 916.969 918.796 fo=r the zo=ne itself, 918.796 920.822 (H) and how the makeup of the zone will be. 921.273 925.272 ... And that is going to be handed out to the uh .. Coordinating Council, 925.272 926.040 this Thursday. 926.424 926.808 DAN: ... Uh, 926.808 929.510 .. m- m- my third question is on the final program? 929.510 931.854 ... I- .. think this gentleman again spoke very, 931.854 933.178 .. very adequately to it, 933.205 933.840 .. u=m, 934.118 935.218 .. it seems to me, 935.218 935.655 again, 936.118 937.787 ... this idea of building consensus. 938.012 938.542 ... That, 938.542 939.349 .. if we're able to make this -- 939.349 940.621 a program like this work, 940.621 942.025 over .. such a long time. 942.197 943.071 ... That the city -- 943.071 945.375 .. and in fact it's= stated in the uh, 945.375 946.143 ... uh=, 946.461 946.898 proposal, 946.898 949.957 the uh .. HUD ... application proposal that, 950.209 951.268 ... the uh, 951.838 952.950 ... governing body, 953.083 954.354 ... making the application, 954.354 956.340 .. must provide a- .. -ssurance and evidence, 956.340 957.387 that this uh, 958.142 959.757 ... uh empowerment zone plan, 959.757 961.214 is gonna be adhered to and implemented, 961.214 962.499 and it seems to me that, 962.499 967.173 ... one of the ... most fundawen- .. fundamental and best ways to have this done, 967.173 969.941 ... would be for the city to come up with a com[prehensive plan], 968.974 969.848 AUD: [(COUGH) (COUGH)] 970.047 971.623 DAN: .. that follows guidelines, 971.623 974.590 that would ... ensure, 974.590 976.377 ... that what's happening in the empowerment zone, 976.377 979.013 is indeed the seed program that's gonna be followed, 979.013 982.535 and be able to be dis- ... distributed to other areas of the city and, 982.641 984.601 ... and built on in other areas of the city, 984.601 985.912 .. does the city have .. any, 985.912 986.892 ... uh, 987.528 988.150 ... plans, 988.150 990.296 uh any any ... hope of, 990.296 991.845 .. coming up with a comprehensive plan, 991.845 992.997 for developing the city? 994.679 998.824 PATTY: ... We do not have a comprehensive plan for .. the city of Chicago. 1000.210 1001.165 DAN: ... Does the city have & 1001.165 1001.920 PATTY: .. We have & 1001.920 1003.365 DAN: & any [hopes of], 1002.415 1004.575 PATTY: & [policies] for development, 1004.575 1007.790 .. and we have been identifying (H) places, 1007.982 1009.313 ... that have plans, 1009.313 1011.140 .. and .. trying to get things done. 1011.140 1012.809 (H) A comprehensive plan, 1012.697 1013.362 requires, 1013.362 1014.276 (H) uh, 1014.513 1017.366 .. the infusion of .. many many dollars, 1017.366 1019.543 .. much more than is available, 1020.164 1020.739 ... you know, 1020.739 1022.171 .. within the city budget, 1022.171 1023.265 to implement a plan, 1023.468 1023.965 ... a=nd, 1023.965 1024.788 at this point, 1024.777 1025.724 we are looking at, 1025.724 1027.473 ways to be strategic, 1027.574 1029.638 ... in how we invest our money, 1029.638 1032.797 ... and the empowerment zone is an 0.000000e+00- is an example, 1033.000 1038.335 ... of an of an area where we are going to .. do some strategic planning along with the community, 1038.335 1039.812 which will lead to implementation, 1039.812 1041.121 and investing in our plan. 1041.572 1041.899 DAN: ... Correct. 1041.899 1042.869 Would you say it's only, 1042.869 1044.426 ... we only have policy guidelines. 1044.426 1044.843 and when- -- 1044.843 1046.264 .. when administrations change, 1046.264 1047.392 .. policies change. 1047.584 1048.814 ... What I'm talking about is that, 1048.814 1050.336 ... cities that we are competing against, 1050.336 1051.137 Seattle, 1051.137 1051.803 .. San Antonio, 1051.803 1052.524 Minneapolis, 1052.649 1053.562 .. they've got, 1053.743 1054.826 ... comprehensive plans, 1054.826 1056.168 for the development of their cities. 1056.438 1056.935 ... And, 1056.935 1057.476 [that] -- 1057.036 1059.179 PATTY: [some of] them do and some of them do not. 1059.179 1060.533 DAN: The ones that I just mentioned do. 1060.533 1060.916 PATTY: % 1060.916 1061.413 DAN: .. Alright? 1061.413 1061.627 PATTY: (Hx) 1061.627 1062.214 DAN: And, 1062.383 1063.398 .. my [point is, 1062.653 1063.387 PATTY: [Some of them do, 1063.387 1063.714 DAN: that], 1063.477 1064.571 PATTY: and] some of them do not. 1065.282 1066.838 DAN: ... The ones that I just mentioned do. 1067.222 1067.718 ... And, 1067.718 1068.293 .. my -- 1068.293 1069.635 ... my point is, 1069.624 1070.075 ... that, 1070.075 1071.248 it seems to us that, 1071.248 1072.410 it- it- .. it seems to me that, 1072.410 1074.903 it would give us= as .. Chicago, 1075.038 1076.775 (H) a much better footing with government, 1076.775 1077.238 if we said, 1077.125 1078.490 that we had a comprehensive plan, 1078.490 1079.674 that was gonna ensure, 1079.674 1081.197 .. that these things are going to be, 1081.276 1081.840 PATTY: .. Well sir, 1081.840 1083.069 DAN: [XX XX X] 1081.840 1084.389 PATTY: [considering that our plan] is due June thirtieth, 1084.389 1086.566 (H) and considering that between now and then, 1086.566 1088.359 we will not have a comprehensive plan, 1088.359 1089.747 for the city of Chicago, 1089.882 1090.706 (H) u=m, 1091.631 1094.089 ... I'm not quite sure where to go with your question. 1094.744 1095.849 AUD: .. (COUGH) (COUGH) 1099.504 1099.977 PATTY: ... Oh I'm s- -- 1099.977 1100.902 .. [I'm sorry, 1100.169 1100.372 DEREK: [Oh, 1100.372 1100.868 BERNIE: .. go ahead. 1100.868 1101.455 go ahead]. 1100.868 1101.444 PATTY: .. ]. 1101.444 1101.974 BERNIE: I- ha- -- 1101.974 1103.542 .. [. 1101.974 1102.707 PATTY: X (Hx)] 1103.564 1104.681 I'm sorry #Derek. 1104.546 1104.715 DEREK: Um, 1104.828 1105.933 .. My name's #Derek #Williams, 1106.080 1106.226 I'm -- 1106.226 1108.121 .. I'm with the HORN association of men, 1108.121 1108.978 .. a=nd uh, 1109.452 1111.764 ... %I I think we need to recognize that uh, 1112.306 1113.513 ... uh this is an opportunity, 1113.513 1114.505 and it's not a threat. 1114.776 1115.250 ... Uh, 1115.796 1117.995 ... consensus do not build themselves. 1118.382 1118.913 .. A=nd, 1118.913 1121.091 and if we just be perfectly honest with each other, 1121.577 1124.363 ... the only reason that we're all in this room is because we hear=d, 1124.363 1125.756 .. about a hundred million dollars. 1125.822 1126.496 MANY: (LAUGHTER) 1126.342 1128.143 DEREK: And that's what everybody's worried about. 1128.563 1129.238 ... Uh, 1129.614 1132.620 ... it's impossible for any city to have a comprehensive plan, 1132.620 1134.400 because we don't have comprehensive people. 1134.588 1135.273 ... First of all. 1135.694 1137.263 ... And I think we just need to, 1137.838 1139.651 ... given the information that's out there, 1139.651 1143.288 ... we need to try to make it as meaningful as we can to our constituents. 1143.509 1144.294 ... Uh=, 1144.493 1146.505 ... be honestly speaking with you, 1146.505 1150.153 ... uh I come from an organization with ... five hundred members, 1150.661 1153.845 ... and empowerment zone has .. absolutely no meaning, 1154.121 1156.310 ... to just about eighty percent of our population. 1156.830 1158.311 ... For the simple reason, 1158.455 1160.057 ... we get caught up in, 1160.057 1161.660 ... in in all of the rhetoric, 1161.660 1162.257 .. u=m, 1162.545 1164.214 .. we we constantly challenge each other, 1164.214 1164.369 and I- -- 1164.369 1165.949 I don't think this is the time for that. 1166.414 1169.122 ... I I think we should be trying to focus o=n, 1169.476 1171.112 ... the information that's available, 1171.333 1172.748 ... and and and meet the challenge. 1172.748 1174.163 And I and I think we can do that. 1174.163 1174.450 .. And in -- 1174.450 1174.926 .. and again, 1174.926 1175.965 this is an opportunity, 1176.506 1178.397 ... to .. m=eet the challenge. 1179.259 1183.426 MANY: .. ((APPLAUSE)) 1183.426 1184.156 PATTY: ... Thanks #Derek, 1184.156 1186.533 that's why I guess you're sitting in the front row. 1186.533 1187.362 @@@@ 1187.362 1188.357 (H) Um #Paul. 1198.173 1198.958 PAUL: ... #Derek I -- 1198.958 1200.815 ... I appreciate following you. 1200.959 1201.423 DEREK: .. Thanks. 1201.423 1204.231 PAUL: ... Well see I'd've been kinda ... frustrated, 1204.231 1205.303 trying to say what you said, 1205.303 1205.789 some of it. 1207.492 1208.199 ... I'd like to, 1208.199 1209.636 just for a couple minutes, 1210.576 1211.902 ... set the record straight, 1211.902 1214.224 o=n what empowerment zones are, 1214.799 1216.136 ... and what they are not, 1216.866 1219.596 ... according to my own ... understanding. 1220.945 1222.913 ... The empowerment zones, 1224.715 1227.268 ... were ... implemented. 1229.026 1230.828 ... under the Clinton administration. 1232.220 1236.885 ... They did not start ... under the Clinton administration. 1238.002 1240.390 ... They started in the state of Illinois, 1240.920 1242.269 ... as enterprise zones, 1242.269 1243.319 back in the eighties. 1244.557 1247.487 ... The difference between .. empowerment zones, 1248.095 1249.498 ... and enterprise zones, 1249.498 1250.947 is that the federal government, 1251.488 1252.704 ... for twelve years, 1252.704 1254.683 .. Congress never did approve, 1256.208 1257.612 ... enterprise zones, 1257.612 1259.060 .. at the federal level. 1260.100 1261.957 ... By the time they were approved, 1263.228 1263.924 ... Congress, 1263.924 1265.339 in its wisdom, 1265.881 1268.026 ... attached ... funding. 1268.855 1269.960 ... criteria. 1270.535 1273.431 ... and shifted the name from enterprise zones, 1273.752 1275.178 ... to empowerment zones. 1276.206 1277.300 ... For the record. 1278.207 1281.048 ... I do not live .. in CHA. 1282.264 1284.751 ... I am not ... homeless. 1285.591 1288.377 ... I do not .. transport myself, 1288.786 1290.698 ... on CTA properties. 1291.638 1292.931 ... I'm a veteran, 1293.075 1296.015 .. so I do not go ... to county hospitals. 1296.679 1298.480 ... I abide by the law, 1298.690 1301.332 ... so I'm not in .. county jail. 1304.262 1307.534 ... I have ... attended .. several colleges, 1309.667 1311.315 ... I think successfully, 1311.657 1313.724 ... they think .. unsuccessfully, 1315.338 1318.975 ... so I do not need .. the public education system, 1319.163 1320.457 ... in Chicago. 1322.214 1323.264 ... But, 1323.508 1324.779 ... I do know, 1325.287 1327.498 who does_(/uz/) .. need em. 1328.184 1329.300 ... The homeless, 1329.698 1332.539 ... and people not in .. public housing. 1333.423 1334.816 ... Public housing, 1335.048 1336.231 ... because one, 1336.275 1337.027 .. we're getting ready, 1337.027 1338.431 to tear them all down. 1339.415 1340.863 ... What are we gonna do with it. 1341.725 1344.688 ... The= city .. has no right, 1345.384 1346.832 ... , 1347.717 1348.877 ... , 1349.375 1350.944 ... to try and tell me, 1351.232 1352.967 ... what my block needs, 1353.719 1355.587 ... When my block decides, 1355.587 1356.859 .. what it needs, 1357.378 1359.213 ... and presents its plan, 1359.213 1360.385 ... to the city, 1360.385 1361.667 ... then the city, 1361.667 1363.480 .. can take its logical, 1363.480 1364.619 ... legal, 1364.619 1366.023 ... jurisprudence, 1366.222 1367.205 ... course, 1367.338 1368.864 ... of identifying, 1368.864 1371.207 ... what .. resources it has, 1371.362 1372.898 .. and make em available. 1373.617 1375.397 ... The empowerment zones, 1375.806 1376.878 ... what are, 1376.878 1378.525 .. by legislation, 1378.702 1380.261 ... to be planned, 1380.261 1381.399 ... by, 1381.399 1382.151 ... with, 1382.151 1383.378 ... and for, 1383.378 1386.473 ... those most in need of empowering. 1387.402 1388.795 ... It don't mention, 1388.795 1390.154 ... those agencies, 1390.154 1391.326 .. most in need. 1391.326 1393.592 This is not the entitlement programs. 1393.758 1396.920 (H) See the entitlement programs is what has turned the West Side, 1396.920 1400.468 (H) into a damn desert .. of oasis and poverty. 1402.115 1405.432 ... Because the West Side was planned .. for. 1406.371 1409.345 ... CHA was planned .. for. 1409.853 1413.424 ... The city .. has put together in a aggregate sum, 1413.424 1415.679 (H) the map that is about two pages, 1415.745 1418.233 (H) that shows you where the poorest folks live. 1420.112 1421.693 ... If you are an agency, 1421.869 1424.478 ... that is involved in those areas, 1424.954 1428.480 ... take the opportunity to find out what those people need, 1428.480 1430.083 .. and deliver the proposal. 1430.790 1434.129 ... If you are an agency that is outside of those areas, 1434.129 1435.522 of the census track, 1435.522 1437.025 that each of you have, 1439.380 1440.131 ... then, 1440.131 1442.209 .. cha=nge your location, 1442.762 1444.575 ... do like Reagan said, 1444.708 1447.538 ... and move with your feet .. into the area. 1448.411 1449.340 ... This is no, 1449.340 1449.715 you know, 1449.715 1451.186 three card here. 1451.396 1453.109 ... We al=ready know, 1453.109 1457.387 .. where the most . 1458.957 1459.885 ... Get busy. 1460.770 1462.583 ... #Patty asked a question earlier. 1462.903 1465.214 ... I have .. chose not to do it, 1465.711 1467.270 ... but out of necessity, 1467.878 1470.641 ... I'm gonna ask you to .. walk through this, 1470.807 1472.985 ... this is where the poor folks live. 1473.836 1476.224 ... This is where your tax dollars are going. 1476.334 1478.103 (H) And this is why you get upset, 1478.103 1480.336 every time the city launches a project, 1480.336 1481.353 (H) because you say, 1481.353 1483.078 .. it comes in over budget. 1484.813 1488.030 ... This is where the state .. has roads going on. 1488.804 1491.899 ... This is where county hospital has roads going on. 1491.877 1493.690 (H) So as far as I'm concerned, 1493.690 1496.763 (H) if the city did anything more than what it was doing, 1496.763 1499.736 (H) I would file a grievance with the Department of Justice, 1499.736 1502.611 to say that they were in violation .. of the legislation. 1503.009 1504.866 ... The legislation says that, 1504.866 1506.789 .. tho=se who have nothing, 1508.293 1512.350 ... are either to be courted .. by those who have something, 1512.350 1513.941 (H) or left alone. 1514.317 1515.964 ... so that they can develop, 1515.964 1517.114 .. their own plan, 1517.114 1519.424 and be responsible for their success, 1519.656 1520.850 ... or their failure. 1521.293 1523.647 ... That to me .. is the empowerment zone. 1524.111 1525.117 ... Anything else, 1525.128 1526.466 .. is a contradiction, 1526.466 1527.317 ... Malcolm X, 1527.317 1529.616 we .. sitting in the college named after him, 1529.616 1532.270 (H) he said by whatever means necessary. 1532.270 1536.559 (H) So by whatever means necessary it takes for you to get , 1536.647 1537.222 (H) touched, 1537.222 1538.239 .. contagious, 1538.239 1541.224 (H) in in love with ... poor folks. 1541.699 1543.025 ... is what is gonna take, 1543.025 1544.905 .. to keep your agencies, 1545.524 1546.198 ... empowered. 1547.536 1551.725 MANY: ... ((APPLAUSE))[=]= 1549.957 1550.697 PATTY: [Thank you #Paul]. 1551.703 1552.134 Um, 1552.134 1553.129 .. before we close, 1553.129 1556.191 we have uh several members of the Coordinating Council here, 1556.191 1557.462 who I'd like to recognize, 1557.462 1559.828 and see if they ... want to add anything, 1559.828 1562.404 before we .. leave uh .. here tonight. 1562.404 1563.211 (H) Um, 1563.520 1564.670 ... we have #Sproule #White, 1564.670 1568.130 who is the executive director of the Chicago Jobs Council, 1568.439 1569.003 ... um, 1569.003 1569.744 .. #Wanda #White, 1569.744 1574.044 who is the executive director of the Community Work[shop on] Economic Development, 1572.364 1572.673 AUD: [(COUGH) 1574.298 1575.691 PATTY: (H) and #Ted #Wysaki, 1575.780 1578.090 who is the executive director of, 1578.256 1578.709 .. uh, 1578.709 1579.505 CANDO, 1579.505 1583.197 the Chicago Association of Neighborhood Development .. Organizations, 1583.197 1583.849 and also, 1583.849 1585.441 #Frank #Grossman was here, 1585.441 1587.033 (H) from Continental Bank. 1587.166 1591.245 .. And also the chair of the capital improvement advisory committee. 1592.317 1593.422 ... Do you wanna say anything? 1593.721 1594.086 X: ... Okay. 1594.926 1596.639 CHERYL: ... I'll just ... make one point, 1596.639 1597.656 and I'll make it brief, 1597.656 1598.264 and that is,